nemmie
Lady in Waiting
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Apr 23, 2013 13:38:35 GMT -4
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Mad Men
May 18, 2015 0:02:30 GMT -4
Post by nemmie on May 18, 2015 0:02:30 GMT -4
Seriously, I don't understand how people DON'T get that Don came up with that Coke ad! He totally did! He came back to the firm and KILLED IT. I forsee many arguments with my naysayer friends on FB! Meh, I think Weiner's a cynic and I have a creative imagination, dammit All kidding aside, I am definitely on the side of Don writing that jingle.
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Mad Men
May 18, 2015 0:24:29 GMT -4
Post by Martini Girl on May 18, 2015 0:24:29 GMT -4
OK. First, to Matthew Weiner. I'm sorry for doubting. I loved the finale. I cried like a baby-- pretty much throughout the episode.... and it wasn't because of all the pinot noir. Bobby #4 trying to make dinner. His conversation with Sally. Sally's conversation with her dad. Betty's conversation with Don. Her smoking thoughout. Pete giving Peggy a cactus. It somehow seemed appropriate. Peggy's conversation with Don. Peggy's conversation with Stan. He really grew on me, and I'm happy for them. Holloway and Harris. I just wish Joan could have gotten everything, but I'm glad Roger manned up at the end. MW should have made Marie Calvet a main character. I'm happy for her and Roger! Coke first aired their commercial on January 18, 1971, and revised it in July of that year. Dick Whitman totally wrote it as Don Draper. The end.
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Post by chonies on May 18, 2015 0:44:54 GMT -4
The cactus was hilarious. There are too many prick jokes to make, so I won't.
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Post by Oxynia on May 18, 2015 1:00:04 GMT -4
The cactus was hilarious. There are too many prick jokes to make, so I won't. I like how genuinely nice they were to each other. Those two have had quite a history together and they've really come a long way.
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Post by famvir on May 18, 2015 1:04:03 GMT -4
I loved it. 10 minutes from the end I told MrF that there was no way they can wrap this up. I was wrong. Don wrote the jingle. No doubt. I reversed the TiVo to show the girl with the braids tied with red ribbons, and the beribboned girl in the commercial.
BTW, I watched the finale with Mr. F. This is the only Mad Men episode he ever watched. I spent probably triple the time stopping the show to add examinations. ("That's Sterling's kid, he was boinking Joan at the beginning during his first marriage. She married the rapist doctor who went to Vietnam and was killed....")
He did the same thing during the Lost finale, showed up the last episode asking, "So what's happening?"....but that one was a lot harder to explain.
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Post by proper stranger on May 18, 2015 2:34:54 GMT -4
I don't know about how much Coke paid, or if Weiner had to buy rights to the jingle, but the foreshadowing was brilliant. The guys at McCann with the cokes on their desk and the girl at the retreat had red ribbons in her braids like the girl in the commercial. I need to watch it again but I bet there were a few more clues. Again, Stan was perfect. "There's more to life than just work" sums up Peggy's story pretty well. When Don was stuck in Oklahoma, the motel owner asked him to fix the old Coke machine. I thought it was a pretty satisfying finale. I'm glad that Don finally seemed to accept himself, and came up with that Coke ad. Glad that Peggy and Pete had a nice last scene together, and was happy that she and Stan got together. Also, yay for Joan starting her own business. I was a little worried at the beginning, when she and Bruce Greenwood were snorting coke (not the soda). I do wish we'd gotten more with Don/Sally. Since I interpreted the ending as him totally going back to advertising/NYC, I hope that he was able to rebuild his relationship with her and his other kids. I was never a big Betty fan, but that last phone call with her and Don was really moving.
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Post by Oxynia on May 18, 2015 9:22:57 GMT -4
I was never a big Betty fan, but that last phone call with her and Don was really moving. I thought so, too. She called him honey and he called her Birdie. Interesting that his most significant conversations were with the women who have played the biggest part in his life (Sally, Betty, Peggy) and they were all over the phone. I don't count Stephanie as significant, as she flat out told him he wasn't family and stranded him in the hippie playground (was that meant to be Esalen?). She was no substitute for Anna.
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Post by Ladybug on May 18, 2015 9:28:48 GMT -4
Thinking about it some more and it's definitely lining up with Martini Girl's info that Weiner gave Betty cancer because of his dislike of Jones. Every major character got a happy ending except Betty. And JJ posted a pic on Instagram of Betty shooting the pigeons with the caption, "Please remember her like this. strong. Proud. And afraid. She is everything I wish I could be." I don't think Don grew that much at all. He came up with a great idea that revived him. But he'll break down over and over again. I came out of the finale with sympathy for Betty and the wreckage of Don's family, and joy for the happy endings of the gang, but just as much dislike of Don if not more. It fit with the show, but I just think he's such an irredeemable loser.
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Post by chonies on May 18, 2015 9:32:24 GMT -4
I watched the finale one and a half more times, and at first the phone calls felt strange and almost distant, but then it seemed to be more about ties, connections, and even webs. Don was always maintaining a facade when face to face, but talking on the phone was different, and as we know in these post-phone convo times, it takes an effort. The "person to person" statement made by the operator a few times was a gentle reminder. I also am thinking about how this ending would read if it were shown in 1970--would people think it was sad that everyone was so alone and isolated-seeming? To me, everyone seems wonderfully connected, but it's an another brilliant prodding that acknowledges that the show was written for a modern audience but with the problems of the times. Thinking about it some more and it's definitely lining up with Martini Girl's info that Weiner gave Betty cancer because of his dislike of Jones. Every major character got a happy ending except Betty. And JJ posted a pic on Instagram of Betty shooting the pigeons with the caption, "Please remember her like this. strong. Proud. And afraid. She is everything I wish I could be." I don't think Don grew that much at all. He came up with a great idea that revived him. But he'll break down over and over again. I came out of the finale with sympathy for Betty and the wreckage of Don's family, and joy for the happy endings of the gang, but just as much dislike of Don if not more. It fit with the show, but I just think he's such an irredeemable loser. In the clear light of morning, I'm seeing the finale as more of the turning of a wheel. A cynical approach could read this all as, "well, how many office romances has Peggy had, again?" and Joan is so friendless and alone that she has to hire her nanny to be her assistant. And Don might actually be irredeemable if he can't escape advertising. Are the NYers Pete and Trudy likely to find true happiness in Wichita, Kansas? But I don't think it's that, or that interpretation only--Joan is kind of a lone wolf. Peggy spends all her time at work. Maybe Pete and Trudy learned something, or in turn get less bothered by each other's flaws. I also think that Betty getting cancer is not the worst thing that could happen to the character--JJ's instagram post is very much the sort of thing that people say in obituaries.
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nemmie
Lady in Waiting
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Posts: 295
Apr 23, 2013 13:38:35 GMT -4
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Post by nemmie on May 18, 2015 9:54:07 GMT -4
All of the character happy endings kind of annoyed me to be honest - Mad Men has never been a show about the giving people the good feels, it's so meta. Almost seems cheap to go the 'LA-LA-LA-LA Neat and Tidy Happy Things!!!' route.
Don has always only been about what is happening to Don and every conversation he had in that finale proved it. He was kind enough, or said what was expected of him, or with Peggy he called so he could feel better and he knew she'd try to lift him up when he was at bottom. Except that last weird thing with the fridge metaphor (sad it came from a DUDE to finally get him to crack a bit).
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