Foo
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Post by Foo on Aug 17, 2014 13:36:43 GMT -4
I don't believe for one second that if Gwyneth hadn't gotten knocked she would have married or stayed with Chris Martin for 10 years.
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Post by GoldenFleece on Aug 17, 2014 13:58:29 GMT -4
I am also in agreement about the age inappropriate casting. I think she's a very good actress but when she's miscast, it's really hard to get past that fact. I enjoyed SLP but the movie would have been stronger with a different lead. That said, this issue is not about Jennifer, it's about Hollywood. I'm not sure that it would be smart for her to turn down those kinds of parts and there is no guarantee that someone older would be cast if she did. It's not even just about Hollywood's sexism. It's also the fact that, right now, Jennifer is it. We've been deluged by reality stars/actresses/models/whatevers but she's the only young actress who's managed to become a bonafide star. The highest paid actress last year was 50 year old Sandra Bullock. Jennifer came is second. There's a huge gap between 24 and 50 so Jennifer is going to get the first shot at a lot of scripts. A lot of the actresses who were hot properties 5-10 years ago, aren't anymore. Partly because of age but also because they have different things going on in their lives. Nicole Kidman is the last 30something actress that I can remember working almost non-stop while also having family commitments. Jennifer is lucky in that her star struck at the perfect time. Has Jennifer been cast in any "age inappropriate" roles outside of David O. Russell movies? Maybe Serena, but I'm kind of not sure that movie even exists, it was filmed so long ago without seeing the light of day. I think DOR sees Jennifer as some sort of muse and is eager to work her into his movies. With SLP, I hadn't read the book so I didn't have any notion that Tiffany was supposed to be in her late thirties and I don't recall the movie trying to sell me on JLaw being that age. I thought Tiffany was older than her, but maybe by 3-4 years and she's not exceptionally baby faced. With American Hustle, the Rosalyn character was even said to be young and IMO it made her character's immaturity somewhat more believable. Say her character's 24, 25 and her kid is 6. To me, big whoop, but I guess most people think you have to be in your late thirties, at least, before you get to be a big-haired interfering housewife? With the part reconfigured, I can easily see Marissa Tomei knocking it out of the park, too, but I didn't feel like the story was lacking because DOR went in another direction. Interestingly, the other period movie about con artists last year, The Wolf of Wall Street, featured Leonardo DiCaprio and Margot Robbie playing a married couple. They were born in the same years as Christian Bale and Jennifer, respectively, yet you never heard the same objections that were voiced about JLaw's casting in AH. Probably because Margot Robbie was relatively unknown without much celebrity baggage, or simultaneously playing a teenager in a YA franchise. Acting with male stars around her own age in The Hunger Games, I'm really not feeling it and spend the movie wishing Katniss could run off with the Woody Harrelson or Lenny Kravitz characters. Maybe she's hamstrung by the weak YA fantasy movie love triangle writing, because I think she's fine in romantic scenes with older actors in other movies. She does risk being seen as old before her time, but that's probably better than being forever typecast as a character from a kiddie/YA book.
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technicolor
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Post by technicolor on Aug 17, 2014 14:14:05 GMT -4
I don't believe for one second that if Gwyneth hadn't gotten knocked she would have married or stayed with Chris Martin for 10 years. From outside that marriage looked half-hearted on both sides tbh. They came together under particular circumstances and might have moved on sooner if children weren't involved. With the kids perhaps they gave it a try for longer, but that may only get you so far if both people actually want to check out of the relationship. As a side effect you also got her annoying interviews about her "private relationship", him supposedly not wanting to be photographed with her and so on. It was all a bit weird. I mean, presumably they loved each other, but the mixed messages from both of them were kind of always present in how they conducted their public life IMO. Back to JLaw and the newest rumours: Wasn't there gossip that Hoult couldn't deal with the fact that she's more famous and has a hotter career than him? I also can't think of many celebrities her age who are at her level professionally at the moment. Perhaps it's not all that easy to find someone to date who doesn't mind her level of fame? Or many guys want to date her only to advance their own career? Perhaps she figures this won't be such an issue with Martin, since they're on a more equal level career-wise? And if she has a thing for slightly alien-looking British guys...(-;
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Post by Augustus on Aug 17, 2014 15:04:55 GMT -4
Margot Robbie at times does look much older than her real age though. Depending on the styling, she manages to look 30something and I can't believe she's only 24, whereas Jennifer still looks very much in her 20s.
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Foo
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Post by Foo on Aug 17, 2014 16:46:22 GMT -4
Agree about Margot Robbie. She didn't look weird being paired up with Leonardo DiCaprio in Wolf of Wall Street.
That's sort of sad that JLaw would have to find a much older and successful guy if indeed the guys her age are feeling threatened by her. It's probably not a conscious thing; it's just the way it turns out.
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Post by twodollars on Aug 17, 2014 20:13:50 GMT -4
Let's see: Gwyneth. In-fucking-sufferable as she may be, I think she has more natural acting talent than JLaw, but she seemed to stop pushing herself to get good roles. Ageism may be a factor here, but I look at the movies/careers that Jennifer Garner, Cate Blanchett, Julia Roberts, Jessica Chastain etc. have, and wonder that she could be going for similar roles. She could also land, if she wanted to, a prestige cable drama. I guess I just find her extremely lazy and complacent with this bullshit faux Martha career when I compare her to her contemporaries. I don't think ageism has anything to do with it. Gwyneth is a mediocre actress who was good in one role, Shakespeare in Love. She never had a breakout hit on her own and she was frequently outacted by other actors in her own movies. Plus, she made a lot of commercial bombs. Cate Blanchett's commercial movies made money for the most part and she has been praised as the best part of her movies since Elizabeth. Julia Roberts's movies make money. Jessica Chastain is a better actress whose movies have made money and I'd guess she gets parts that Gwyneth would be considered too old. The number of actresses who would have to pass before Gwyneth gets a shot at the role has to be really high. I'd guess she only gets scripts after the following all pass: 1. Angelina Jolie 2. Cate Blanchett 3. Jessica Chastain 4. Amy Adams 5. Kate Winslet 6. Angelina Jolie 7. Sandra Bullock 8. Charlize Theron 9. Nicole Kidman 10. Emily Blunt
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Post by narm on Aug 17, 2014 20:18:11 GMT -4
My bad: I thought Chris Martin was over 40, when I read today he is only 37. Not that it is so much his age that counts, more just where he is in comparison to her (divorce, kids, etc). I actually don't really care that much about age differences, really, as long as everyone is a consenting adult, blah blah...I'm just more struck by how I would project my need for fun on her.
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Post by Atreides on Aug 17, 2014 20:37:59 GMT -4
Let's see: Gwyneth. In-fucking-sufferable as she may be, I think she has more natural acting talent than JLaw, but she seemed to stop pushing herself to get good roles. Ageism may be a factor here, but I look at the movies/careers that Jennifer Garner, Cate Blanchett, Julia Roberts, Jessica Chastain etc. have, and wonder that she could be going for similar roles. She could also land, if she wanted to, a prestige cable drama. I guess I just find her extremely lazy and complacent with this bullshit faux Martha career when I compare her to her contemporaries. I don't think ageism has anything to do with it. Gwyneth is a mediocre actress who was good in one role, Shakespeare in Love. She never had a breakout hit on her own and she was frequently outacted by other actors in her own movies. Plus, she made a lot of commercial bombs. Cate Blanchett's commercial movies made money for the most part and she has been praised as the best part of her movies since Elizabeth. Julia Roberts's movies make money. Jessica Chastain is a better actress whose movies have made money and I'd guess she gets parts that Gwyneth would be considered too old. The number of actresses who would have to pass before Gwyneth gets a shot at the role has to be really high. I'd guess she only gets scripts after the following all pass: 1. Angelina Jolie 2. Cate Blanchett 3. Jessica Chastain 4. Amy Adams 5. Kate Winslet 6. Angelina Jolie 7. Sandra Bullock 8. Charlize Theron 9. Nicole Kidman 10. Emily Blunt I love how you put Angelina Jolie on that list twice because in all honesty, the studio probably would offer the role to her twice before they asked Fishstick!
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Post by twodollars on Aug 17, 2014 20:56:14 GMT -4
Hee! I guess I did. I don't even like Angelina but I still think I'd cast her before Gwyneth.
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Post by GoldenFleece on Aug 17, 2014 21:03:42 GMT -4
I love how you put Angelina Jolie on that list twice because in all honesty, the studio probably would offer the role to her twice before they asked Fishstick! OT-For Gravity, they did offer Angelina the role twice before going to Sandra Bullock, an infinitely bigger box-office draw than Goop. I feel that a certain amount of laziness set in with her after she got her Oscar. She's done some awards bait that didn't pan out but it feels like she was content to rest on her laurels. My bad: I thought Chris Martin was over 40, when I read today he is only 37. Not that it is so much his age that counts, more just where he is in comparison to her (divorce, kids, etc). I actually don't really care that much about age differences, really, as long as everyone is a consenting adult, blah blah...I'm just more struck by how I would project my need for fun on her. Chris is not the first (or third or tenth) guy you'd think to link JLaw with, but didn't everyone find the Julia Roberts/Lyle Lovett pairing extremely weird at the time? Taking looks out of the equation, Lyle Lovett is considered to have a sort of cred that Chris Martin apparently lacks, I guess. So maybe the throwback equivalent to this Martin Lawrence coupling would be more like Julia Roberts and...John Tesh, or Yanni. At least that's how people are reacting.
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