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Post by Mugsy on Sept 1, 2014 21:48:52 GMT -4
Plus, neither Cameron nor Renee were vilified for not having Brad's babies, as if Jen deserved to have him cheat on her with a woman who got knocked up right away because well, if she only appeased his desires and gave him babies, he'd have stuck around. She failed him and deserved what she got, that was the narrative. I mean, there were idiot women holding signs at red carpet events that actually said, "I'll have your babies, Brad!"
How do you ever deal with that, piled on top of the whole "Worlds Sexiest Couple" crap the press and public shoved in her face?
I always think Jen pulled a Princess Diana and used the press when it suited her, making some mistakes along the way.
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Post by Binky on Sept 1, 2014 22:24:32 GMT -4
But...Renee & Cameron have never played the mothering card in interviews and I feel like Jen has dipped into that well one too many times to appease a certain segment of her fanbase. I'd have more sympathy for her if she hadn't played that game to begin with and has set some very clear boundaries. My womb is off-topic and frankly none of their business. Be more like Cameron. It hasn't hurt her box office at all. Yeah, Jen hit that button herself A LOT. Especially while she was married to Pitt. But, then again, most celebrities do. It's part and parcel of the "I'm young and virile/fertile and therefore sexy". Hell, I called Tom Cruise' divorce when all of a sudden he told People he was not having any more kids. Many celebs who are clearly done having kids/bordering on menopause still hit that button a lot. That said, it's possible she thought she would have kids (with Pitt). It's possible she has some private medical condition affecting her reproduction. It's possible she decided, privately at some point, not to have kids for any number of reasons. But you can't unring the "yay babies" bell that she rang from the rooftops for years. That said, I do feel empathy for her. Her own management of the press aside, even if she had tried to establish boundaries at any time, I think she was doomed to the role the tabloids have cast her in. And I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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Post by Beyle on Sept 1, 2014 22:31:38 GMT -4
That said, I do feel empathy for her. Her own management of the press aside, even if she had tried to establish boundaries at any time, I think she was doomed to the role the tabloids have cast her in. And I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Have you ever seen the documentary $ellebrity? Aniston was one of the celebrities interviewed for the film. However, there was also a media expert who mentioned this very point. The tabloids made a lucrative move by casting Jennifer as the desperate, sad, and wronged woman who lost Brad Pitt. Now I don't believe that Jen's, Brad's, and even Angelina's management teams have had zero input into keeping the triangle alive. Jennifer seems to bear the brunt of the negative publicity when the other two aren't squeaky clean themselves. Brad and Angelina's relationship has done wonders for their PR and they have used the attention to their advantage as well. I don't have a horse in this race, but I don't mind Jennifer or Angelina. I've never really cared about Brad. He's the reason this whole triangle exists in the first place. If you look at it that way, then he should get the brunt of the negative press.
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Post by iClaudia on Sept 1, 2014 23:42:00 GMT -4
I don't have a horse in this race, but I don't mind Jennifer or Angelina. I've never really cared about Brad. He's the reason this whole triangle exists in the first place. If you look at it that way, then he should get the brunt of the negative press. Brad Pitt is teflon. It's remarkable, really. Even if he'd left a pregnant JA, I think he'd have gotten a pass.
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Post by Binky on Sept 1, 2014 23:50:06 GMT -4
Eh...the worst thing Brad probably/possibly did was cheat on Jen. And then he promptly entered a monogamous relationship with his mistress and started a family in a relationship he's sustained for almost a decade.
I mean, I agree Brad is Teflon, but it's not a particularly messy situation on his end. He's not (publicly) a womanizer beating up porn stars in closets like, say, Charlie Sheen. He seems to be a serial monogamist who probably smokes a lot of pot. That's very boring compared to Jolie the evil whore/weirdo or Aniston the sad spinster. That said, had he had kids with Aniston and left them, he probably still would have been Teflon.
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Post by celerydunk on Sept 1, 2014 23:52:45 GMT -4
I also think Jennifer and the other celebs of the 90s were in that weird land between when the press was still somewhat respectful and the 24 paparazzi frenzy we have today. When she was starting out, it was a whole lot easier for people to control their images. I think that when her PR people were selling the whole Pitt/Anniston true love forever story, they had no idea what the media would become and how that story would follow her the rest of her life. Celebs of the previous decades didn't have to deal with the constant speculation over the failure of their first marriage - there was only so much room on the cover of the weekly tabloids, and they needed that space for pictures of Elizabeth Taylor's current husband/true love.
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Post by Beyle on Sept 2, 2014 0:35:45 GMT -4
I don't have a horse in this race, but I don't mind Jennifer or Angelina. I've never really cared about Brad. He's the reason this whole triangle exists in the first place. If you look at it that way, then he should get the brunt of the negative press. Brad Pitt is teflon. It's remarkable, really. Even if he'd left a pregnant JA, I think he'd have gotten a pass. I think so too. People would have called Jennifer a golddigger for getting pregnant to keep Brad around. It's a no-win situation for her at this point.
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Post by technicolor on Sept 2, 2014 2:03:20 GMT -4
Eh...the worst thing Brad probably/possibly did was cheat on Jen. And then he promptly entered a monogamous relationship with his mistress and started a family in a relationship he's sustained for almost a decade. I mean, I agree Brad is Teflon, but it's not a particularly messy situation on his end. He's not (publicly) a womanizer beating up porn stars in closets like, say, Charlie Sheen. He seems to be a serial monogamist who probably smokes a lot of pot. That's very boring compared to Jolie the evil whore/weirdo or Aniston the sad spinster. That said, had he had kids with Aniston and left them, he probably still would have been Teflon. The tabloids are also geared towards women. It's "easier" to tell the "stories" they're telling about these two women (where their main focus is) by pretending he doesn't have agency, I would guess. Also, he's very good at PR IMO. He's always been, and I think part of that is creating the illusion that he's not really playing you. I remember a Fametracker Audit on him from way back and the authors saying that he has much more status in the industry than he should have based on his box office results and how could that be? And I remember thinking even at that time, well because he knows exactly how to play the game and not understanding why they seemed to find it puzzling. Now his box office is much stronger than it used to be 10, 15 years ago. And he's heavily into producing movies, often with very good results. So he's become even more "teflon". Going against someone like that in a PR war is just really difficult, I would think. It's not exactly Tom Cruise after the Couch Jumping. Not that I think Aniston necessarily wanted to start a PR war, that's also the spin the press put on things. Same with the "poor, sad Jen" BS. The press wants to run with that, apparently it still generates enough interest. The way the Bermuda Triangle from hell storylines are still being written to this day, I also don't think any one of the three could do anything to stop that. I can't even imagine having to read all this (often offensive) nonsense about yourself for almost a decade now. In some ways that story changed the landscape of gossip reporting forever and it took on a life of its own independent from the "real people" involved.
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Post by Mutagen on Sept 2, 2014 7:53:23 GMT -4
Eh...the worst thing Brad probably/possibly did was cheat on Jen. And then he promptly entered a monogamous relationship with his mistress and started a family in a relationship he's sustained for almost a decade. Well, I don't think anyone in the scenario should really be painted as Darth Vader. People fall in love with other people while still married.... right or wrong, it happens. My parents are friends with another couple who both left their spouses for each other. They've been married for 30+ years now. It was an upheaval when it happened, but clearly they really love each other. So for me, it's not that I think Brad really should be taking shit. But, it is kinda bullshit that Jennifer Aniston gets the "no-baby-having plain Jane couldn't keep her man" attacks, and Angelina gets the "blood-drinking homewrecker" attacks, and Brad gets... nothing. When in fact, it was his decision that kicked off the whole triangle!
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Post by butterscotch on Sept 2, 2014 11:00:47 GMT -4
I think Brad's narrative is clean because there are still tabloids making a case for he belongs with Jennifer and they are going to get back together so you can't have the hero be tainted. Even look at Chelsea Handler attack on Angelina she never once blame or attack Brad just that poor him he stuck with Angelina because of those kids even some of Jennifer die hard fans still think Brad and her may get back together and that says so much about how her PR messed up her narrative.
I am a believer that her PR harp on the they divorce because she won't have his kids because that will but the blame on a selfish Brad and that he is only with Angelina because of kids instead of they are 2 couple who fell out of love which was more than obvious but that narrative gave press and tabloids headlines that will probably never go away.He still loves her he only left because she won't have his babies and that spun the if she only will just have his baby they would still be together and that's a storyline I don't think she will ever escape.
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