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Post by Ninja Bunny on Feb 8, 2015 1:16:07 GMT -4
I like Bruce but he has to know absolutely that he is a pap target right now and it seems a bit negligent on his part to be out running errands on busy roads if he feels like he has to run from them or doesn't want his picture taken. So he should hole up in his house until the paps are no longer interested? He should be aware, because he put himself in the spotlight, that people will always be wanting to take a photo or ask for an autograph, and prepare accordingly. That includes paying extra attention against possible distractions - like paparazzi following him - while driving.
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Post by deeconsistent on Feb 8, 2015 5:25:48 GMT -4
Bruce Jenner in car crash, one person dead (not him): LinkVehicular manslaughter and a gender transition storyline? This family will do anything for ratings.
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Post by Spinderella on Feb 8, 2015 6:02:57 GMT -4
Well TMZ paps (at least it appears it was them, or some other paps in general) were taking photos for sure. They are claiming that he may have been texting per the photos they posted, but that Bruce was doing everything he can to avoid the vehicle in front of him base on skid marks. They're checking with the vehicle that was in front of the deceased's vehicle and it may not even be related to Bruce.
But now the police is getting a warrant for his cell phone records. This is just getting more complicated by the hour.
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Post by tortuga on Feb 8, 2015 8:31:58 GMT -4
Jenner was pulling a trailer with a decent sized vehicle on it. That also probably contributed, as the extra weight can really change how a vehicle operates.
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Post by discoprincess on Feb 8, 2015 14:12:07 GMT -4
I've heard of transgender people who become technically "gay" after they transition only because they were once attracted to the opposite gender, but they became the same gender after the transition. Yes, this. Last year I went to a session that educated people about those who are trans. I learned that those who are trans can be either straight or gay. If a trans female likes men, then she is straight. If she likes females, then she is gay. any mainstream media source should be called out for promoting misinformation about sexual orientation of trans people. When it doubt, leave it out! So he should hole up in his house until the paps are no longer interested? I thought some celebs use some personal assistants to run errands, etc. so the celeb doesn't get papped while on the way to the dry cleaner (for example)? So much for Bruce keeping a low profile before his show drops (if the transition story is true).
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Post by scarlet on Feb 8, 2015 14:24:22 GMT -4
Yeah, I remember when Chaz Bono talked about how, before his transition, he just thought he was a lesbian because he was attracted to women--then he realized that wasn't correct either as he identified as a man attracted to women.
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Post by kostgard on Feb 8, 2015 15:36:12 GMT -4
Another perfect example comes from this special/documentary I saw a couple years ago about a kid who was about 14 who was transitioning from female to male (and the controversy over the parents allowing him to do that at such a young age). Part of his transition process was a lot of mental health counseling, and one of his therapists was another trans man. In one moment that was kinda cute, the kid shyly asked his therapist for advice on talking to girls and the therapist said, "Sorry, can't help you there. I'm gay." They all laughed and the therapist did say he could give general dating advice, but couldn't give any tips on how to woo ladies.
So there you had two people who were born female and transitioned to male, with one of them ending up gay and the other ending up straight.
So in addition to that bit of ignorance, we don't even know if Bruce is taking hormones or not or if he ever will. Being the classy set of folks they are, TMZ has gleefully pointed out that it appears Bruce has breasts, but I can point to any number of middle-aged men who are not transitioning to female and are sporting a bigger cup size than Bruce. Gravity is a bitch to us all, eventually.
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Post by prisma on Feb 8, 2015 17:02:52 GMT -4
I was just on Facebook and someone I went to high school with (but didn't know very well) posted a double Bruce Jenner-related pic: the first was the 1970s Wheaties box with Bruce on the cover and the second was a picture of a Fruit Loops box with present-day Bruce photoshopped on it. There was no commentary with the post--it was just presented as a funny. The only comment so far when I looked at it was "LOL." It just made me really sad in a way I can't exactly express. These are people who probably don't follow the Kardashians, so I doubt it's about that circus. I think it's more laughing at freaks, which is how Bruce comes off in this situation through their eyes, I think. I am by no means an expert on transgender issues (most of what I know comes through reading Far From the Tree by Andrew Solomon and watching Transparent) but I just got overwhelmingly sad realizing that what people here seem to realize is a brave decision following, I assume, decades of anguish on the subject is just a cheap punchline for other people.
This came on the heels of someone I grew up with and *was* close friends with posting an article on FB that used a scriptural analysis to explain why gay marriage is an abomination. I grew up Southern Baptist but now belong to the Episcopal church, which ordains gay clergy and promotes diversity, and sometimes it makes me schizophrenic when the major thought influences in my life collide.
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Post by discoprincess on Feb 8, 2015 17:47:58 GMT -4
someone I went to high school with (but didn't know very well) posted a double Bruce Jenner-related pic: the first was the 1970s Wheaties box with Bruce on the cover and the second was a picture of a Fruit Loops box with present-day Bruce photoshopped on it. There was no commentary with the post--it was just presented as a funny. The only comment so far when I looked at it was "LOL." It just made me really sad in a way I can't exactly express Wow, Bruce is supposed to be so fruity. LOL - not. Never mind that Bruce sired six children. He has nothing left to prove.
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Post by eclair on Feb 8, 2015 19:12:05 GMT -4
I enjoy the writing of Jennifer Boylan, who is a trans woman. She writes about her experience in her books. In one of them, she said that 75% of the time when someone transitions, their orientation switches as well. I don't know if this is true or not. She and her wife have opted to stay together, although her wife doesn't want a sexual relationship with her as a woman. If true, it seems that orientation is more complex than what I thought it was. Just fyi. Jennifer Finney Boylan's webpage
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