Nysha
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Post by Nysha on Sept 8, 2015 16:01:57 GMT -4
What if Bill Cosby had done that? Do you think people would forgive him if he said he's sorry? Or is it different because Dre was a gangsta rapper and Cosby was America's dad? Part of the difference is Dre stopped beating women a long time ago (afaik) and Cosby's been raping them for 40 years.
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Post by Auroranorth on Sept 8, 2015 17:34:40 GMT -4
Eh, I don't believe the apology is at all sincere, just CYA. I also don't think it was the heat of passion, because if it was, he wouldn't have been just hitting women. I'm not going to buy his products and I sideeye Apple for working with him.
Cosby had a whole system worked out, with drugging and payoffs.
Honestly, I think they both suck.
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Post by Smilla on Sept 8, 2015 19:53:10 GMT -4
While I could never excuse the actions of either person, to me, a big part of the difference (WRT the way they are perceived publicly) is the apology/demonstration of remorse. Dr. Dre was at least willing to acknowledge that what he did was horrifying and wrong. Cosby clearly isn't capable of acknowledging that the crimes he committed are crimes, let alone terrible, appalling and sick.
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celerydunk
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Post by celerydunk on Sept 8, 2015 19:57:14 GMT -4
A big difference is also that Dre has not been doing speaking tours based on telling people how they should live their lives during the same timeframe he was beating women. And while I'm another that doubts Dre's sincerity*, his apologies don't have half the condescending attitude Cosby's denials do.
*Dre probably wishes he had handled a lot of things differently in his youth, but I doubt any of it keeps him up at night.
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Post by prisma on Sept 8, 2015 22:17:27 GMT -4
I think that Bill Cosby is an honest-to-God sociopath, whereas Dr. Dre is a garden variety abuser. I give Dre a little credit for apologizing, but I think Michael K's take on it is pretty accurate:
I think Dre knows what he did is wrong, although I'm not sure how much he cares. I think Cosby will go to his grave defending/rationalizing/justifying his actions.
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Post by deeconsistent on Sept 8, 2015 22:38:15 GMT -4
I think the major difference between Cosby and Dre is just the sheer volume of women Cosby abused. It's literally dozens of women over dozens of years. Some are well-known and highly accomplished. The flood of women that came forward was like some sort of sick joke. Both are the types of stories that the media would love to ignore, but with Cosby, it got to the point where it was just no longer possible. If you're America's most beloved dad, or even just a well-known criminal/rapper/billionaire, you can probably get away with "allegedly" raping or beating 2 or 3 women without people getting too bent out of shape about it. Once, you get into multiples of 10, then it becomes a story worth paying attention to. I have to give the Wayans Brothers props for In Living Color back in the day. Speaking of which, if it were around now, I'd love to see the show do a skit skewering Cosby. (Somehow I can see David Alan Grier playing Cosby.) I was referring just to them being assholes. They have been sexist, homophobic assholes for years. When he was more high-profile, he tried a little harder to hide it, but it was always obvious that he would be willing to unleash a tirade after two wine spritzers. There are a lot of things that really stood out to me over the years, but most of it was disguised as "comedy". (I wrote down two examples, but they were so long and boring I deleted them.One was about Tisha Campbell's character on "My Wife and Kids" )
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Post by Mouse on Oct 7, 2015 9:47:35 GMT -4
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Post by ladyboy on Oct 7, 2015 12:21:37 GMT -4
Or have someone amend it to the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Drug and Rape Women? Making it a touch more honest?
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CyberCathy
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Post by CyberCathy on Oct 7, 2015 13:49:25 GMT -4
Also, universities are now rescinding his honorary degrees. My alma mater is on the short, but growing list. I was wondering how they would handle it. Phew.
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gremlin45
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Post by gremlin45 on Oct 7, 2015 15:40:20 GMT -4
I'm glad all those universities are rescinding his honorary degrees. I am puzzled in general about honorary degrees though. What on earth is the point of them? Do the universities get something out of it? What do the celebs get out of them?
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