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Post by discoprincess on Mar 11, 2015 19:55:16 GMT -4
Thicke handled it like an asshat, though. Why did he preemptively file that lawsuit though? It was as if he was daring the Marvin Gaye estate to come for him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 20:48:12 GMT -4
The important question is, how does this affect Weird Al and "Word Crimes" Exactly! This is what I want to know.
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Post by angelaudie on Mar 11, 2015 21:04:06 GMT -4
The important question is, how does this affect Weird Al and "Word Crimes" Exactly! This is what I want to know. It shouldn't hurt Weird Al because "Word Crimes" is a parody. Weird Al gets permission from artists to mock their songs as a courtesy not because he legally has to. It's interesting to note the jury didn't give the Gaye family all they wanted. For example, they didn't reward the family Thicke's concerts proceeds (the family argued they were entitled to them because Thicke sold out more concerts due to the song's success). The jury also didn't fault T.I or the record company because they didn't believe the plagiarism was intentional. I'm beginning to wonder if this was a compromise verdict.
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Post by Ginger on Mar 11, 2015 22:17:35 GMT -4
Thicke handled it like an asshat, though. Why did he preemptively file that lawsuit though? It was as if he was daring the Marvin Gaye estate to come for him. Actually, you could say it all started when he refused to pay the Gaye family to sample the song, and instead created a similar beat himself because he's got the studio skills to do that. He sort of bragged about that when the song came out, which probably made them mad. I think he thought that was a bulletproof defense that could pre-emptively shut them down and save him some lawyer fees.
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Post by Ninja Bunny on Mar 12, 2015 0:25:23 GMT -4
I've always wanted to create some kind of trivia game for uber- music nerds that is a sort of "6 degrees of separation" thing, like: Link Dusty Springfield to Rough Trade Link ABBA to Adam Ant I think the market for such a game might be pretty limited though. Dusty sang backup on the Rough Trade album "Shaking the Foundations," she also covered two RT songs on her album "White Heat." Anni-Frid Lyngstad of ABBA was featured on the Adam Ant song "Strip." (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
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Post by Wol on Mar 12, 2015 11:13:18 GMT -4
People I know who work in the music industry take issue with the "jury of their peers" aspect of the verdict because the average Joe and Jane sitting on a jury might not read music or understand music composition to the point where they can make an informed judgment. Friends who are musicians/composers - who have a dog in this fight - are really adamant they are not the same song and the verdict was wrong. As much as my marginally trained ear hears similarities, I defer to the pros on this one.
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Post by Kaleidoscope Eyes on Mar 12, 2015 11:17:37 GMT -4
That's my opinion too, wol. I know I'm not informed enough when it comes to music composition (despite my 6th grade training as an alto saxophonist!) to make a proper assessment. Average peeps like me do not constitute a jury of their peers in a case like this.
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Post by LurkerNan on Mar 12, 2015 11:31:45 GMT -4
I wonder if Pharrell is going to appeal in some way. I think the judge has the ability to go back to the jury and ask them to clarify their review process, to see if they used anything other than the elements they were instructed to use. If he did that, I think he would find that the votes were based more on emotion against Robin Thicke and less on the actual facts.
If I were a music producer, I would avoid using Robin Thicke in any collaborative effort, based on all this.
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Post by Witchie on Mar 12, 2015 12:30:03 GMT -4
Pharrell should appeal. The verdict is flawed.
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Post by Ginger on Mar 12, 2015 12:39:09 GMT -4
The NY Post ( like much of the rest of the media) decried the verdict and said the jury was severely hampered because they were only allowed to compare sheet music for the two songs.
God knows if you compared sheet music for all the guitar bands using the same chords over and over again for the past 60+ years you'd think everybody is playing the same song.
At least that sounds like a good basis for an appeal.
The NY Post also said this verdict means "a vibe" is now considered intellectual property, which I thought was a good way of phrasing it.
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