anne
Guest
Nov 28, 2024 9:39:06 GMT -4
|
Post by anne on Mar 6, 2006 18:26:32 GMT -4
That's a good article. I can definitely see the point that it (and you) are making, even though I don't agree with it. The subtleties of racism are without question an issue to be addressed. But I honestly think that in today's world, there is a problem with people easily identifying racism in other people, but refusing to consider that it exsists in themselves. I think the strenght of the movie is addressing those people. In addition, it's a good exercise in deciding if you're going to focus on the negative or positive in the people you encounter. Perhaps it's more a movie about human nature than racism.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Nov 28, 2024 9:39:06 GMT -4
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2006 0:57:01 GMT -4
I already posted this in the "The Oscar Should've Gone To.." thread but I am getting tired of the Crash bashing. I thought Brokeback Mountain was a good movie not a great movie. But to say that Crash was a terrible film maybe you should see it again.
As I also said in the other thread, yes, there is homophobia, but there is still racism. If many are taking this "defeat" as a death knell to tolerance maybe it's time we stop taking films so seriously and look at real world issues for once.
|
|
|
|
Post by Baby Fish Mouth on Mar 7, 2006 9:47:18 GMT -4
But to say that Crash was a terrible film maybe you should see it again. Perhaps you didn't mean it this way, but that's a pretty condescending statement. I think most of us who didn't like Crash are intelligent enough to have valid opinions. It isn't a matter of "not getting" the film. I definitely got the point, because it was rammed down my throat. And that's only one of the reasons why I felt it was inferior to BBM--because there were subtleties and complexities to the characters and to the plot that just weren't there with Crash. Believe me, I don't need to see it again to understand it. |
|
|
|
Post by lpatrice on Mar 7, 2006 10:01:08 GMT -4
Here is my take. A lot of the best picture debate has been about Crash v. BBM. My take is that Crash should not have even been nominated. I saw all five nominted films and it was the weakest of the bunch. I would have given the nod to either A History of Violence/Walk The Line/A Constant Gardner.
And I did see Crash twice. Once in the theater and once on DVD. And in my opinion it is not that great of a movie. I found it cliched, trite, heavy handed, and unrealistic. At the end of the day it just did not ring true to me. And I was disappointed that it, was named Best Picture over all of the other nominees, not just Brokeback Mountain.
|
|
magnolia
Guest
Nov 28, 2024 9:39:06 GMT -4
|
Post by magnolia on Mar 7, 2006 12:01:40 GMT -4
As I also said in the other thread, yes, there is homophobia, but there is still racism. But that's the point. That's all Crash was about. It didn't say anything interesting about racism. It was an exercise in conjugation: I have racist tendenies, you have racist tendencies, he/she/it has racist tendencies... It didn't point to any deeper issue or explore any avenue other than RACISM EXISTS! |
|
realitybug
Guest
Nov 28, 2024 9:39:06 GMT -4
|
Post by realitybug on Mar 7, 2006 12:16:14 GMT -4
As I also said in the other thread, yes, there is homophobia, but there is still racism. But that's the point. That's all Crash was about. It didn't say anything interesting about racism. It was an exercise in conjugation: I have racist tendenies, you have racist tendencies, he/she/it has racist tendencies... It didn't point to any deeper issue or explore any avenue other than RACISM EXISTS! Exactly. That's all I got from it. Yes, racism is terrible. Well, of course it's bad. But there are much better films dealing with racism, like Do The Right Thing. |
|
anne
Guest
Nov 28, 2024 9:39:06 GMT -4
|
Post by anne on Mar 7, 2006 13:56:53 GMT -4
What message, other than racism is terrible, did Do the Right Thing deliver? I agree that it was an outstanding movie, but I don't recall much of a solution being offered up.
|
|
redpanda
Guest
Nov 28, 2024 9:39:06 GMT -4
|
Post by redpanda on Mar 8, 2006 9:08:19 GMT -4
There are not many films that deal with racism in a good way. Take for example American History X, it glossed over the guys hate too quickly. All was alright and good after washing some underwear, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner was just boring and went no deeper than a rain puddle. Do the Ring Thing, what was the ending even about? Lets get angry and throw trash cans around? Ok.
|
|
|
|
Post by Neurochick on Mar 8, 2006 10:50:43 GMT -4
There are not many films that deal with racism in a good way. Take for example American History X, it glossed over the guys hate too quickly. All was alright and good after washing some underwear, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner was just boring and went no deeper than a rain puddle. Do the Ring Thing, what was the ending even about? Lets get angry and throw trash cans around? Ok. Well said. Sometimes I think it's better for a movie to be made about racism, even if it's bad, than to not be made at all. |
|
ownlife
Guest
Nov 28, 2024 9:39:06 GMT -4
|
Post by ownlife on Mar 8, 2006 14:12:43 GMT -4
I agree with anne that Crash shows everyone engages in racist thought/speech/behavior at some point.
I didn't see American History X because the head-smashing scene sounded too disturbing for my taste. I though the young woman in the original Guess Who was mentally challenged and wondered how her fiance put up with her. When I think of women in mid-to-late '60s San Francisco, I think of Grace Slick, not the perma-child in Guess Who. There's a lot about that movie that is similar to The Light in the Piazza.
|
|
