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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 11:24:46 GMT -4
Yeah, there is definitely more of an effort to be PC and not go after one's religion in this country. So every time journalists here start to sniff around Scientology and label it a cult, the Clams start the cry of religious persecution because it tends to work. I hate to give them credit, but establishing Scientology as a tax-exempt religion was incredibly smart and forward thinking. Without the freedom of religion shield, shit might have started hitting the fan a long time ago.
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Post by Hamatron on Dec 30, 2012 16:49:10 GMT -4
I think that's one of the reasons why they get away with so much here. Freedom of religion is very ingrained in our culture. There are all kinds of bullshit groups here that are tolerated when they wouldn't be anywhere else. I have no idea what anyone could do about that since, you know, freedom of religion is mostly a very good thing, hah.
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Post by kostgard on Jan 17, 2013 2:46:46 GMT -4
Preview for Lawrence Wright's book. I knew most of the stuff, but every time I think Hubbard and the clams couldn't be any worse, I read more crazy shit about them. I'm also amused that David Miscavige would threaten to sic Tom Cruise on people if they didn't do what he wanted. I also watched an episode of "Deadly Persuasions" on Investigation Discovery tonight, and they had a lady on there who was a clam in the 70s and 80s, and I learned even more crazy shit - like when she was trying to leave, they made her go through day-long auditing sessions (her husband was a clam and wasn't ready to leave the church, so she was trying to leave without being declared an SP so he wouldn't have to cut her off) where the auditor would swing between being nice and verbally abusing her. The poor lady had a psychotic break, and said she began to worry she was being controlled because the Clams believe there is a race of aliens (I forget the what the aliens are called, but the lady mentioned their name) who have hidden invisible mind control devices all over the planet, and she began to wonder if one was controlling her (thankfully her husband got her to a hospital and they both decided to tell the clams to fuck off once and for all).
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Post by GirlyGhoul on Jan 17, 2013 10:43:40 GMT -4
I'm always stunned not more has been done to investigate the abuse done by this CULT, esp against the children. Enough people have spoken out about it. Everytime someone escapes, do they go to the police? Call the FBI? I get that the FBI did raid them once, but they were persuaded to go away. Why to the Clams catch a break all the time? I get that the Feds don't want another Branch Davidian style disaster- But I just don't get how the Clams get away with SOOOO much evil. And how the hell did they get tax exempt status? What defines a "religion"? Some raving mad Sci-Fi writer with a laughing gas epihany gets to call his babblings about thetans and alien overlords a religion? Whatever qualifications he met, please tell me. I'll start the Church of Sacred Paper Clips in my office supply closet right now if I can get a tax break and a hoard of loyal minions to buy me a BMW for my birthday each year. A box of 'em fell on my head and revealed the secrets of the Universe to me dontcha know! Want to know what was revealed to me?...... First, hold these staplers in your hands and lets talk about your crimes!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 11:18:59 GMT -4
I am sure it will shock you (insert eyeroll here) to know that it's alleged that Scientology basically spied on and blackmailed IRS officials to get their tax-exempt religious status. I've read about it in a few of the books about Scientology, but you can read a brief summary here.
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Post by kanding on Jan 17, 2013 15:03:35 GMT -4
Well, at least Belgium isn't letting Scientology get a good hold on the country without a fight, but here's the latest on the bloody insanity the cult is involved in.
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Post by kostgard on Jan 17, 2013 22:29:53 GMT -4
I am sure it will shock you (insert eyeroll here) to know that it's alleged that Scientology basically spied on and blackmailed IRS officials to get their tax-exempt religious status. I've read about it in a few of the books about Scientology, but you can read a brief summary here. Yeah, the lady in the Investigation Discovery show worked as a clam spy at a hospital where she stole the personnel files of all the psychiatrists so they could copy them and look for dirt to use against them. She said the clams had spies in all sorts of government organizations. She was also tasked to follow and spy on a journalist who had written a book about the clams.
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Post by kostgard on Jan 25, 2013 23:49:46 GMT -4
Posting again to say that I've been reading Lawrence Wright's book, and...damn. I can't believe the crazy shit.
I'm barely into it, but I believe he is spreading Paul Haggis's story and the OT levels throughout the book. That was wacky enough. But now I'm reading the chapter on Hubbard, and the amount of crazy shit in that man's life is amazing. Even if you remove the fact that he started a religion and actually got people to join it AND remove the grandiose lies and exaggerations he told about himself, his life was still insanity (he was also a total bastard, but I think most people have figured that out).
The book is very thorough (Wright definitely did all his homework), and it's a fascinating read. I recommend it.
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Post by Witchie on Feb 3, 2013 11:22:16 GMT -4
Watching a local news investigation about Narconon. They were filing fraudulent insurance claims (using doctor's NPI/DEA numbers to file insurance claims, charging for residential stays that didn't happen). They are in the process of losing their license to practice in Georgia. And...parents are complaining their kids are still drug addicted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 3:06:44 GMT -4
Watching a local news investigation about Narconon. They were filing fraudulent insurance claims (using doctor's NPI/DEA numbers to file insurance claims, charging for residential stays that didn't happen). They are in the process of losing their license to practice in Georgia. And...parents are complaining their kids are still drug addicted. There was a news report here in Canada about a woman who was taken for $3000 by Narconon for rehab for her addict son. He got no treatment but did get drawn into the Clams. The Narconon rehab center seemed to be a SeaOrg recruitment operation. She was very upset and said she had no idea they were a Scieno front and she'd never have put her son there if she'd known. I felt sorry for her but man, $3000 and you don't even Google? Even if it wasn't the Scienos, you'd think you'd want to do a modicum of research into a rehab. FYI for Canadian Greecies, Paul Haggis will be on George Stromboulopolos' show Monday evening on CBC. No idea if George will bring up the Clams but I can't think of any other reason to interview Haggis right now. This might be interesting.
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