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Post by kateln on Aug 2, 2014 11:09:33 GMT -4
I'm reading this right now. It's good, very well written, very frightening. David Miscavige comes across as an appalling human being. Tom Cruise has made a cameo, as he audited the author, and he comes across as completely clueless about all of what was going on around him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 12:16:41 GMT -4
I have always thought TC is clueless about the goings on at the top. And I bet he's probably purposely shielded from them in order to keep the money flowing from his wallet to theirs. Maybe all the big stars are. I think TC sees that it "works" for him (all the power of positive thinking stuff, mainly) and that's where his analysis ends.
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Post by kostgard on Aug 2, 2014 12:38:03 GMT -4
He may be clueless, but I've often wondered how much of it is willful ignorance. I mean, how long can you rub elbows with the head honcho without seeing or sensing that something ain't right?
They treat him like he's super-human royalty, so I can't imagine he's got a whole lot motivating him to look too deeply into it. But that doesn't mean there isn't stuff he's simply chosen to ignore.
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Post by Sunnyhorse on Aug 2, 2014 12:44:34 GMT -4
I think he might possibly be ignorant of the conditions suffered by the little people on the ground, but I believe he knows perfectly well what goes on in the upper echelons (executive types' being busted to RPF duty, held captive, etc.) and has no problem with it. That bloodless "Nicole knows what she did" told me everything I needed to know about Tom Cruise's personality. He gives me the creeps.
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Post by kateln on Aug 2, 2014 16:30:57 GMT -4
So the time this guy was talking about was not long after Nicole and Tom had gotten married, basically he is Gold Base to learn to audit. The author was in the Sea Org, and had worked at Gold Base (where Miscavige and the executives work out of) for a couple of years--couldn't have been more than 19 or 20 at the time--and was still on the low rungs of Scientology.
Basically Nicole Kidman and Kirstie Alley are down at the other end of the table studying. Pat Kingsley is doing everything she can to keep it from getting out that Tom Cruise is a Scientologist, and there's Tom auditing this kid. Then the kid's levels aren't right so Tom takes him on his motorcycle (it's maybe a two minute ride) to get a bee pollen bar, then takes him back. So the kids has to deal with the gossip on the base that he's Tom's favorite. Then Tom has a fancy Mercedes delivered for Nicole. To a place where most of the people there? Are making 35-40/week.
Then they talk about how one person was telling her MOM about Tom being there, and then the mom goes to the tabloids, and it gets out that Tiny Tom's a Scientologist. Tom leaves the compound never to return. So you know what happens? Everybody on the base is punished. All of their contact to the outside world is curbed, no breaks, 10 minutes for meals, sleep deprivation.
Now he's talking about how David Miscavige is upset (which I'm guessing he may have had as a constantly used phrase while typing up this book) making people play musical chairs (grown adults) to Queen in order to stay on the base rather than being knocked back down several levels.
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Post by sumire on Aug 2, 2014 17:59:42 GMT -4
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Post by Mouse on Aug 5, 2014 9:46:45 GMT -4
I think he might possibly be ignorant of the conditions suffered by the little people on the ground, but I believe he knows perfectly well what goes on in the upper echelons (executive types' being busted to RPF duty, held captive, etc.) and has no problem with it. That bloodless "Nicole knows what she did" told me everything I needed to know about Tom Cruise's personality. He gives me the creeps. He had no qualms about allowing the clams to poison Conor and Bella against their mother. Need I say more?
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Post by Nysha on Aug 5, 2014 10:05:28 GMT -4
Poisoning Conor & Bella was typical bitter divorce crap using Scientology as an excuse. My bet is he would have done the same had he not been involved in Scientology. However, I doubt seriously he realizes the horrible things that happen to the lower peons. The only people who are going to point that out are those who've left or who have never been members and they're all SPs or worse.
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Post by Karrit on Aug 5, 2014 14:26:04 GMT -4
Poisoning Conor & Bella was typical bitter divorce crap using Scientology as an excuse. My bet is he would have done the same had he not been involved in Scientology. However, I doubt seriously he realizes the horrible things that happen to the lower peons. The only people who are going to point that out are those who've left or who have never been members and they're all SPs or worse. I kinda think there wouldn't have been a divorce, if it weren't for Scientology. At least not then. Maybe eventually. It is Hollywood, after all.
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Post by kostgard on Aug 28, 2014 19:16:23 GMT -4
I just saw a bus go by with a giant Scientology ad on the side of it. Gross. How many "religions" have to advertise on buses? And how many have to have "Find out the truth about Scientology - decide for yourself" (i.e., "We swear we aren't evil like everyone says we are!") as their advertising campaign?
I'm just gonna blame it all on Tom Cruise.
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