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Post by Ladybug on Feb 2, 2016 19:48:31 GMT -4
kostgard, it's not really that much new stuff, but she doesn't hold back in how much she hates him and the damage she believes he caused the church (when she was still a true believer). She tells stories about him acting weird with Katie, treating his assistants and other staff like crap, getting super special treatment within the church, being Miscavige's #2, and that his kids told her that Nicole was an SP and they only saw her when they had to. But she really drills home that his prominence in the church is something that she came to be really concerned about. At one point after his wedding to Katie, she was so disgusted by his behavior and David Miscavige (and others at the wedding) that she wrote them up in a 'knowledge report.' The loudmouth girl from King of Queens wrote up the #1 and #2 of Scientology. (A bunch of people at the wedding wrote her up for various offenses at the wedding and she got in a lot of trouble.) She accused Cruise of being an SP. She hated it that he is basically the King of Scientology and is treated VERY differently than run of the mill clam. That started her on the path of questioning everything about the church. She was also written up by Katie and others for actions at the wedding (seriously, the chapters on Tom and Katie's wedding are worth the price of the book) and was punished by being sent to Florida to repeat a bunch of classes she'd already done and paid for (hundreds and thousands of dollars). When TomKat split up, she fought to get her money back because Katie was declared an SP. After a big run around, they credited her account. Asking for a refund means you get declared an SP, and they have a policy of not paying out to SPs.
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Post by kostgard on Feb 2, 2016 19:53:54 GMT -4
I knew she wrote up Miscavige, I didn't realize that she wrote Tom up too.
Interesting on the confirmation that Katie got declared an SP. I was wondering about that - it would make sense that she would, but I didn't know if she'd get an exception because of Tom. But then again, it seems Tom hasn't had much contact with her or Suri since the divorce (which I'm sure suits Katie just fine), so no need to make an exception for her.
Also somewhat of a relief that someone on the inside thought that the way Tom is treated like the crown prince of Scientology is weird. But sad that if others shared her observations, they aren't speaking up about it.
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Post by Mugsy on Feb 3, 2016 10:23:53 GMT -4
No surprise that Katie was declared an SP even though she was married to the crown prince; he's probably the one who insisted on it.
All this business of writing reports on each other sounds like the worst Christian fundie summer camp - nonstop tattling about others. "Susan had a sip of wine at her sister's wedding!" "Gary looked at the girls in their swimsuits in a less than wholesome way!" "Louise said she thinks abortion might be understandable in the case of rape!" "Mike's dad is a Democrat!"
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Post by smitten on Feb 28, 2016 1:40:41 GMT -4
I'm weeks late because it's been sitting on my DVR, but the Feb 6th episode of Ghost adventures is awesome.
The guys themselves are soooo cheesy, but I appreciate the research and history they get into in the first half of the show (before they start "investigating") which they continue to do here.
They talk a lot about Hubbard's connection with Crowley, black magic and the hidden abusive/cult-like atmosphere.
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Post by smitten on Mar 17, 2016 23:13:48 GMT -4
And the books just keep on coming! This one from Miscavige's own father: Ruthless
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Post by Martini Girl on Mar 18, 2016 1:28:15 GMT -4
love the title...
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Post by discoprincess on Mar 22, 2016 12:13:08 GMT -4
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Post by alpierce on Mar 22, 2016 13:26:30 GMT -4
When they get sent to that camp, are they actually held captive, or do they just not want to leave? This is the part of that article I have a problem with. Specifically made to return. It is imprecise wording that leads you to believe Scientology employs the threat of bodily harm to prevent you from leaving this so called prison camp. Because unless they are handcuffed or overpowered by their captors, or quite simply have a gun held to their head, they can walk away. The way this is worded makes it sound like they are persuaded to return with no threat of physical harm, or being overpowered by other people. When you are kidnapped, after all, if you try to run away, the kidnapper will quite simply shoot you and you will be dead. So a potential kidnapper employs the threat of force to keep you there. This makes it sound like there is no threat. If these people are locked in a room or some type of camp that they physically cannot get out of then that is some type of felony, I think. But everything I have read about Scientology leads me to believe there is no captivity as we would normally understand the term. These people are not being kept in a jail behind bars they cannot get out of. I think if they walked away someday, they would not be shot in the back or dragged back to their cell. The author does not clarify this particular detail and makes it seem like escaping from scientology captivity could possibly get you killed. And I have not seen anything anywhere that clarifies this. Every article I have read uses the same exact imprecise terminology. So, I want to know, if a captive at this infamous camp tried to leave of his own volition, would they be shot dead? Because if not, then there is no story here, other than that they are truly captives of their own mind.
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Post by kostgard on Mar 31, 2016 9:57:00 GMT -4
I've been listening to the "Oh No, Ross and Carrie!" podcast - they explore different religious and spiritual practices (along with exploring supernatural stuff, like ghost hunting), and right now they are doing a series on Scientology. They actually sign up for the "personality test" and then signed up for some dianetics classes.
Listening to them, I am even more confused about how people fall for this. Because they keep going on about how none of it makes any damn sense, how they are clearly lying to you (they tell you one thing in the 101 level class, then when you take the 102 level class, they tell you that 101 stuff is false a here's what is really going on), and the auditing training they had was such a horrible slog that they just wanted to die. There is also the weirdness where often they found themselves in classes where it was just one of them and the instructor (for hours), or in the dianetics class, it was stacked with current scientologists and only, like, one other new person (Ross also noticed a secret room they totally could have been using to watch them). And they did confirm that you are made to write down what you talk about in every auditing session, and they keep that in a file.
It's been both entertaining and horrifying to listen to their experiences. The fact that these classes ran for 8-12 hours and the food was sparse and shitty (with no vegetarian options even though they asked them beforehand if they had any dietary concerns and they told them they were vegetarians) is just icing on the cake.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 10:10:42 GMT -4
NO veg options?? All right, now they've gone too far!
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