gremlin45
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Post by gremlin45 on Sept 11, 2017 11:38:26 GMT -4
I was watching some Leah Remini youtube video and there is a youtube ad for the hate website Scientology has set up against her. From what I gather, their strongest argument is "Leah is being PAID!!!" It probably sticks in their craw that, not only are people listening to her, they're paying her too, and $cientology isn't getting a penny of it.
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Post by Ginger on Sept 11, 2017 11:58:32 GMT -4
I think the roundtable episode is really good as a standalone episode if anybody wants to know what Scientology is all about. I might watch it again. Very well done. Mike Rinder looked nuts when he was on TV denying Xenu. I always feel so bad for Mike Rinder. You can tell by some of the reaction shots throughout the series that through his job duties he was responsible for some aspects of what some of these people went through when they were in the "Church". He often has a look of disbelief or remorse and there was a moment in the first season where he broke down crying. I feel so awful for him. I imagine he carries around a lot of anger, guilt, and sadness. He was just doing what he was told would make him a good Scientologist and was literally held prisoner and this supposed "Church" ripped his family apart and ruined his life. I can't imagine having to process all of that. I'm glad that he met Leah and that they are able to use what they went through to help others. Yes, I do feel terrible for Mike Rinder. He's living in Clearwater hoping that one day his children will have a relationship with him again. It struck me in one of the past few episodes when he said, "My children make these videos about what a terrible father I was...and they're not wrong." One of the things Leah does with the show that I appreciate is that she gets out in the open the things she did (or Mike did) that they now regret. I think it's part of their healing process. And this week, she did the same thing for her mother.
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Post by kostgard on Sept 11, 2017 12:30:23 GMT -4
Yeah, I thought it was quietly sad last season when Mike and Leah were visiting someone who lived outside Denver (I think) and Leah kept saying stuff like, "Isn't this a nice neighborhood? You should totally live in a neighborhood like this, Mike, like specifically THIS neighborhood" and it was clear that she was implying that he needed to get away from Clearwater. But it was also kind of heartwarming last season when there were a couple instances where you could tell Mike wondered how their subjects would feel about him after the things he did (that sometimes impacted them directly) but everyone understood the situation and were very forgiving.
Atonement seems to be a big motivator in doing this for both of them. I know Leah has said that she's in therapy to help her through this. I hope Mike is in therapy too.
I've never understood the way they go after the people who leave and speak out in such a crazypants way. Honestly, "Leah is just doing this for MONEY!" is mild, because it's usually something like, "Ex-Scieno beats his wife and takes drugs and eats babies!!!" I get that the main audience for this is people still in the church, not the general public, but I'm amazed that these PR-obsessed people don't realize how crazy it makes them look to outsiders, thereby making it far less likely they could win people over and recruit them. Every time someone leaves and speaks out, it's always "That person didn't leave, WE KICKED THEM OUT! They are terrible, awful criminals who LIE and we're pretty sure we saw them kicking puppies!" They can never just say something like, "Look, Joe has some problems. We tried to help him, but he didn't want to work with us. Of course the things he's saying are lies. He's a very troubled individual. We don't understand why he's so angry and why he's trying to slander us, but we hope he gets the help he needs and we wish him well." They would come across as far more reasonable and benevolent if they could just say stuff like that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 13:54:34 GMT -4
I think atonement is definitely Mike's biggest motivating factor for doing the show, and I also feel terrible for him. I hope some day his older kids come around. His second wife is a freaking saint to be willing to deal with all this with him, especially considering how badly they harassed her too. I still can't get over how they staked her out at her obstetrician's office when she was pregnant and sent Mike's ex-wife to spew vitriol at her. It's just mind-boggling.
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Post by Babycakes on Sept 12, 2017 0:23:24 GMT -4
Yeah, I thought it was quietly sad last season when Mike and Leah were visiting someone who lived outside Denver (I think) and Leah kept saying stuff like, "Isn't this a nice neighborhood? You should totally live in a neighborhood like this, Mike, like specifically THIS neighborhood" and it was clear that she was implying that he needed to get away from Clearwater. But it was also kind of heartwarming last season when there were a couple instances where you could tell Mike wondered how their subjects would feel about him after the things he did (that sometimes impacted them directly) but everyone understood the situation and were very forgiving. Atonement seems to be a big motivator in doing this for both of them. I know Leah has said that she's in therapy to help her through this. I hope Mike is in therapy too. I've never understood the way they go after the people who leave and speak out in such a crazypants way. Honestly, "Leah is just doing this for MONEY!" is mild, because it's usually something like, "Ex-Scieno beats his wife and takes drugs and eats babies!!!" I get that the main audience for this is people still in the church, not the general public, but I'm amazed that these PR-obsessed people don't realize how crazy it makes them look to outsiders, thereby making it far less likely they could win people over and recruit them. Every time someone leaves and speaks out, it's always "That person didn't leave, WE KICKED THEM OUT! They are terrible, awful criminals who LIE and we're pretty sure we saw them kicking puppies!" They can never just say something like, "Look, Joe has some problems. We tried to help him, but he didn't want to work with us. Of course the things he's saying are lies. He's a very troubled individual. We don't understand why he's so angry and why he's trying to slander us, but we hope he gets the help he needs and we wish him well." They would come across as far more reasonable and benevolent if they could just say stuff like that. Scientologists have no concept of subtle in their "tech". LRH made it one of the main tenants (It's called Fair Game, right?) that skeptics, critics, and deserters are the enemy. You go balls to the wall to discredit them. There is no room for subtly or reason with those who have been excommunicated. They have make them look like evil incarnate--Pedophiles, junkies, violent maniacs!! It's funny how they never return all the money that received from those horrible, terrible people.
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Post by kostgard on Sept 14, 2017 21:09:58 GMT -4
I noticed in the response they showed this week from the church to the Liz Gale episode (the lady with the gorgeous red hair whose brother committed suicide) the CoS called Leah "the empress of hate." So at least they are getting creative.
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Gigiree
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Post by Gigiree on Sept 14, 2017 21:53:19 GMT -4
Well, hell, when I worked in customer service I was called both "Satan's concubine" and a "whore of Babylon", so COS really needs to step up their game on the put downs...
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madangela
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Post by madangela on Sept 15, 2017 17:50:45 GMT -4
Every time they show Elron talking, I think, "Why would anyone think Scientology gives you power over health, etc. when Elron's teeth are clearly rotting away?"
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madangela
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Post by madangela on Sept 15, 2017 17:54:59 GMT -4
I noticed in the response they showed this week from the church to the Liz Gale episode (the lady with the gorgeous red hair whose brother committed suicide) the CoS called Leah "the empress of hate." So at least they are getting creative. I was so envious of Liz's hair! Shallow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 19:06:06 GMT -4
I noticed in the response they showed this week from the church to the Liz Gale episode (the lady with the gorgeous red hair whose brother committed suicide) the CoS called Leah "the empress of hate." So at least they are getting creative. I was so envious of Liz's hair! Shallow. I'm glad I'm not the only one that's envious of Liz's hair, it is indeed glorious. I love how Leah keeps re-tweeting the Scieno hate-bots on Twitter and dragging them. Like she could ever be intimidated by that.
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