redangel
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Post by redangel on Dec 29, 2023 19:59:39 GMT -4
Watched first episode of Murder in Boston on HBO (Max if you must). I live in Boston area and was in college at the time of the Charles Stuart case and I distinctly remember telling my roommate that I think he did it based on the 911 call. Watching the show, I cannot believe he wasn't suspect number one right from the get go! I have to believe there were some members of the police force that always knew it was him, but the racist furor that engulfed the city probably drowned out any opposing voices. Thanks for the reminder! Yeah, I remember this case, too. He was so shady from second one that it's hard to believe no one suspected him. I can't remember now if they mentioned it in the documentary, but there were two initial detectives on the case who actually did suspect him, but they were quickly pulled off the case (wish I could link to the Boston Globe info for further info, but it's beyind a paywall). The retired Bill Dunn is still a scumbag who sees nothing wrong with anything he did while he was a policeman, and I hope he gets his much-deserved karma as a result.
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Post by scarlet on Dec 29, 2023 21:43:19 GMT -4
I can't remember now if they mentioned it in the documentary, but there were two initial detectives on the case who actually did suspect him, but they were quickly pulled off the case (wish I could link to the Boston Globe info for further info, but it's beyind a paywall). The retired Bill Dunn is still a scumbag who sees nothing wrong with anything he did while he was a policeman, and I hope he gets his much-deserved karma as a result. Yes, they mentioned the two detectives who got pulled--what a load of bullshit. And Dunn is just as disgusting now as ever. That he's still spouting "we'll never know who killed Carol" and saying "everything we did was legal" just proves what an asshole he is.
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cremetangerine82
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“These are the times that try men's souls.” - Thomas Paine
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Post by cremetangerine82 on Dec 30, 2023 20:52:22 GMT -4
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Millis
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Post by Millis on Dec 31, 2023 10:22:00 GMT -4
I can't remember now if they mentioned it in the documentary, but there were two initial detectives on the case who actually did suspect him, but they were quickly pulled off the case (wish I could link to the Boston Globe info for further info, but it's beyind a paywall). The retired Bill Dunn is still a scumbag who sees nothing wrong with anything he did while he was a policeman, and I hope he gets his much-deserved karma as a result. Yes, they mentioned the two detectives who got pulled--what a load of bullshit. And Dunn is just as disgusting now as ever. That he's still spouting "we'll never know who killed Carol" and saying "everything we did was legal" just proves what an asshole he is. I do not want this in any way to seem as if I'm defending Dunn because I am NOT, but I listened to the Boston Globe podcast and they somewhat heavily imply that there was a third person in the car with the Stuarts. There were three witnesses that saw a third person, and some of the hospital staff (including the first surgeon that worked on Stuart) did not feel Stuart had a self inflicted wound. The podcast implies it may have been Matthew Stuart that had a bigger role in the crime, but Dunn still feels that Willie Bennett may have known Stuart somehow through drugs and that he was in the car. The first scenario seems plausible, Dunn's theory not so much but I think that's what he was getting at when he said 'we'll never know who killed Carol'.
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Post by PearlySweetcake on Dec 31, 2023 23:05:35 GMT -4
Even though I have kin in the Springfield MO area, and have visited numerous times, I had never heard of Gypsy Rose Blanchard before today. What a tragic life she had. I wish her a quiet and peaceful life going forward.
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cremetangerine82
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Post by cremetangerine82 on Jan 1, 2024 0:23:53 GMT -4
Seriously, her mother was an absolute monster. After she was cremated, her father flushed her ashes down the toilet!
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redangel
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Post by redangel on Jan 12, 2024 21:29:00 GMT -4
I am so conflicted with Gypsy Rose. Her mother was definitely a monster and abused Gypsy Rose. But Gypsy did conspire to kill her mother. I am finding it so distasteful to see Gypsy so much on social media. I wish she would just go away and live a quiet and happy life where I don't have to see her. Am I being totally cold and mean?
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Post by prisma on Jan 13, 2024 14:08:36 GMT -4
I am so conflicted with Gypsy Rose. Her mother was definitely a monster and abused Gypsy Rose. But Gypsy did conspire to kill her mother. I am finding it so distasteful to see Gypsy so much on social media. I wish she would just go away and live a quiet and happy life where I don't have to see her. Am I being totally cold and mean? Tom and Lorenzo talked about just this thing on the latest episode of their podcast. I thought it was a really great, nuanced discussion of the situation. They definitely hit on the ickiness of Gypsy Rose coming straight out of prison with a super polished media strategy, but then when a little deeper about all the forces at play. (They also discussed how Vili Fualaau came out and said he was offended by May December, which is a fictionalized retelling of his relationship with Mary Kay Latourneua.) I recommend it!
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technicolor
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Post by technicolor on Jan 14, 2024 4:48:05 GMT -4
The ethics of this will just stay murky, as will the media's role and the public consumption of such fare. Blanchard has suffered a lifetime of abuse,has little skills or education and is too notorious for normal employment probably. She is working the media very well, something she grotesquely probably learned from her mother. I don't know what the answer here is either.
May December is by all accounts well made and a good critique of the media exploitation of such cases. I'm not arguing it shouldn't have been made. But yeah, is it easier to dismiss because a boy was the victim and public discourse on sexual assault only cares about male victims in very limited circumstances? Then add the class and race angle and it gets even more uncomfortable.
The same can be said for Priscilla tbh.It seems like a worthwhile movie, but Lisa Marie Presley's concerns about this being leaked left a sour taste IMO. LMPs autobiography coming out will probably further complicate this. Coppola made a good movie, but in the process collaborated with an abuser in Priscilla Presley. People can be both victims and perpetrators. The stories of Scientology education camps and blaming Lisa Marie for being molested by her mother's boyfriend sound pretty harrowing. There's no easy answers here either. But public discussion always wants to pretend there are and ignores any complicating factors in the way of preferred narratives.
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Post by laurenj on Jan 21, 2024 21:01:48 GMT -4
Thanks for the reminder! Yeah, I remember this case, too. He was so shady from second one that it's hard to believe no one suspected him. I can't remember now if they mentioned it in the documentary, but there were two initial detectives on the case who actually did suspect him, but they were quickly pulled off the case (wish I could link to the Boston Globe info for further info, but it's beyind a paywall). The retired Bill Dunn is still a scumbag who sees nothing wrong with anything he did while he was a policeman, and I hope he gets his much-deserved karma as a result. This was a really interesting miniseries, I didn't know this case before. The setup with the discussion of the busing issue was really enlightening, it was shocking to see that there was such an uproar well into the 70s and so far north, it's something I'd associated with the south of the 50s and 60s. From the 2024 perspective and after years and years of true crime stories where the spouses turn out to be the perpetrators or the crime itself is staged, it's so hard to imagine that he wasn't an immediate suspect. Netflix's American Nightmare about the so-called "Gone Girl case" was also really well done. They structured it very well and since I didn't really remember the case, I was in suspense the whole time and changed my mind over and over as to what actually happened.
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