True Crime

[Metizia]

Jun 15, 2008 18:25:23 GMT -4 @highondegrassi said:

The male/female dynamic is similar to Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka who raped, tortured, and killed young girls, capturing it on video.

Including her own sister!

Jun 16, 2008 15:33:04 GMT -4 @roisin54 said:

She murdered a pregnant woman who was begging for the life of her unborn child, she should die in prison.

[chonies]

Jun 16, 2008 18:09:10 GMT -4 Metizia said:

Jun 15, 2008 18:25:23 GMT -4 @highondegrassi said:

The male/female dynamic is similar to Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka who raped, tortured, and killed young girls, capturing it on video.

Including her own sister!

I know this might be pushing the pre-1990 rule, but I was looking around at some Bernardo-Homolka information, mostly on Wikipedia, and I got the sensation that Karla's family was pretty supportive of her. Is this true? Or am I reading things wrong?

[chiqui]

Eh, I don't know about Susan Atkins. My feeling about the Manson chicks is that they were so drugged up and their minds so twisted by their excesses at the time of the murders that they are just not the same people now as they were then. I'm gonna get heat for this, but I think they've been punished enough. (Manson however is still a threat and should be a prison.)

[sardonictart]

My feeling about the Manson chicks is that they were so drugged up and their minds so twisted by their excesses at the time of the murders that they are just not the same people now as they were then.

I understand that sentiment, Chiqui, and given my own experience with loved-ones being on drugs, I do have sympathy. I’m sure that she isn’t the same person that she once was, and I am glad for that. But at the same time, she chose to do those drugs. She chose to be in that environment with those people and those excesses.

The fact that she was not put to death is all the mercy that is required of our society. Sharon Tate and the other murder victims were given no mercy. I’m glad that Susan Atkins has spent her days trying to redeem herself. We as a society were merciful enough to give her the time that she needed to do that. But that time was for her, not for us.

She willfully and purposefully took the life of another human being and had no regret about doing it (until a parole hearing years later.) She should die in the prison that she made for herself. The fact that she may have made peace with God over her actions has eased her burden, but it is still the burden that she should bear. Releasing her burdens the victims’ families again, and we as a society should do all we can to protect them from that.

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I know this might be pushing the pre-1990 rule, but I was looking around at some Bernardo-Homolka information, mostly on Wikipedia, and I got the sensation that Karla's family was pretty supportive of her. Is this true? Or am I reading things wrong?

Her mother and sister are still supportive. Her father not so much. Karla had accused him of sexually abusing her as a child and essentially blamed him for some of her life choices that led to the murders. Mothers especially seem to have a hard time separating their baby from the murderer they've become. Unconditional love knows no bounds.

[SweetOblivion]

Jan 16, 2008 22:55:25 GMT -4 wilbert said:

Misogynistic crap.

That's all Brian DePalma movies.

[Shalamar]

Her mother and sister are still supportive.

Her sister?!? Did this woman miss what happened to Homolka's other sister?

[Deleted]

When I was in London doing the youth hostel thing in my misspent youth circa 1977 I got intrigued by the idea of lunchtime theater in the local pub (The King's Head in Islington) and went to see a one-woman play about Myra Hindley, the female half of the Moors murderers, as she is in prison reflecting on her life. It was intense and some of the scenes stayed with me to this day. The actress was a very young Sue Holderness. If you love BritComs you'll know her as Marlene on Only Fools and Horses. She sang, she danced, she wielded a very large knife screaming "Let me do it!" Something for everyone.

[incognito]

Jun 16, 2008 19:31:06 GMT -4 sardonictart said:

The fact that she may have made peace with God over her actions has eased her burden, but it is still the burden that she should bear. Releasing her burdens the victims’ families again, and we as a society should do all we can to protect them from that.

What I always hate is when criminals try to trot out the God excuse as a reason why they should get out of prison. "I found God, I'm not the same person I once was, let me out!!" If they really found God and were remorseful about their crimes, you'd think that they'd be very willing to take the rest of their prison sentence on the chin. That is, if it weren't all just some cynical ploy for sympathy instead of actual redemption.

I mean, I was always taught that we are to be held accountable for our actions. Yes, according to doctrine God's grace will save you, but it does not operate as a literal "get out of jail free" card. Nor should it. Personally, I am always skeptical of people who say that they are sorry for what they've done, and insist that they should therefore get out of jail. Then again, I believe in jail as a punitive gesture, as opposed to rehabilitation. (Well, a mixture of the two, anyway.)

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I watched the Lifetime movie Wife, Mother, Murderer about Marie Hilley over the weekend. The craziest part of the story is when she fakes her own death and pretends to be her twin sister who never existed. The best part, though, is how her story ends with what can only be described as divine justice.