Conspiracy Theorists Unite!!!

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Asking MrB and James- they say no because a stealth bomber is air to ground (it can only bomb targets on the ground), not air to air.

James is thinking that Air Force One does get an escort- either from the Air Force or the Air Guard, depending where it is.

[Peggy Lane]

I don't think there was any grand consipiracy regarding 9/11 because I just don't think that the government is that organized. Not to get all poltical-ly, but Katrina proved to me that this administration isn't really strong with the vast organizational skills.

However, I also don't think that there was any conspiracy about Foster.

[heyalice]

Didn't Vince Foster had dirt on the Clintons with regards to Whitewater? And wasn't there a rumor he was shtupping Hilary?

[Brookie]

heyalice said:

Didn't Vince Foster had dirt on the Clintons with regards to Whitewater? And wasn't there a rumor he was shtupping Hilary?

Yep, he's the one. I think it's highly plausible Vince had "assistance" with his timely departure. I don't put anything past the government either. Not that I think they're that organized or that clever; but I think there are areas of it that are entirely SooperSeekrit and may be under orders to do whatever is necessary in any assignment they have. Kinda like the $cienos and their "fair game" policy - do it, do it well, and deny.

[bitca]

shriekingeel said:

The bottom line on conspiracies is that someone always talks. Always.

But no one ever believes them! They're always called "crazies." And then they end up dead. ;D

borokat said:

I think I need to believe more conspiracy theories. I take things at face value too much.

I asked my husband about the possibility of Flight 93 being shot down. He absolutely does not believe it. Being a rocket scientist and an employed by the AF/DOD, he said that the only planes that could have shot down a jet without being picked up by radar would have been an F22 and F35. Neither of them were in production in 2001.

Kind of. The F22 rolled out onto AF bases in Jan of 2003, to be tested publically among the "regular" troops, but they were in production way before that. The F22 has been a long time coming and it took it's first flight in 1997. If the near final product was delivered in January of 2003, then there were definitely some extras hanging out along the way since 1994 (when production began).

Being picked up by radar doesn't mean anything, anyway. An F15 could've went and shot 93 down. Who's looking for these things on the radar, anyway? Monks? Priests? People can be paid off. ;D

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I admit, Bitca is right, MrB did say that there were prototypes out there.

The problem with debating conspiracy theories, the theorists always have the built-in argument of "That is what They want you to think."

[Smilla]

A'ight; my "conspiracist" profile:

JFK: Massive conspiracy (CIA/Pentagon/Johnson/Big Oil/mafia/corpratists + Kennedy's large collection of enemies of lesser importance in and around Washington did it). I've spent entirely too much time reading about all of that (and I'm only 28! I'm a lonely anomaly among members of my generation).

9/11: Massive conspiracy, but nowhere near enough actual evidence (either about the attack itself, or the conspiracy that created it) has yet been uncovered by anyone for me to have adopted a "unified field theory" about why it happened, who was responsible, and just how many people are working to cover it up. So I'm more or less MIHOP, but I hate the psychotics who call themselves the "9/11 Truth Movement." Has anyone heard of the work of Daniel Hopsicker? He's done the most relevant and credible 9/11 research in my opinion.

Big Oil, Big Tobacco, and Big Pharma are all valid terms in my pod. (So's Big Diamond, but aside from reading most of Greg Campbell's "Blood Diamond," I don't know enough about that subject to discuss it much.)

The mainstream media in the United States and much of the rest of the world is almost totally corrupt.

The Project for the New American Century is quite real, as is the damage its done to the world.

Ken Lay? My hunch is he's dead. The circumstances surrounding his death were very suspicious, but the main reason I'm betting "dead as a doornail" is that I can't think of a reason for those who could have been implicated by his testimony to keep him alive.

Conspiracies, "conspiracies," urban legends, myths and other crap I don't care about:

Bigfoot, Loch Ness monster, most discussion of "alien abduction" and UFOs, Roswell, "Satanic" cults, crop circles, (mostly hoaxes, if you ask me) and believe it or not the 2012 stuff (I know that might seem shocking to those of you who've read my posts in the "Ghost/Supernatural" thread, but I just don't really care about 2012 or its alleged significance anymore).

[mrpancake]

What is 2012?

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According to the ancient Mayans, that's when a new world order would come about. That's what they said about the millennium too, and the computers didn't even crash with that one, so I'm not too worried about it. ;D

The only 9/11 conspiracy theory that holds any water with me is the Flight 93 one. All the others just seem implausible-you'd have make a lot of people with no apparent moral consciousness whatsoever to keep mum, and there's just way too many people involved in this.

[Binky]

The only conspiracy I believe surrounding 9/11 is that flight 93 could have been shot down. The rest are too far fetched and ridiculous. Too many people involved, and frankly there is no motivation for it. Most of the consequences of it that were ahem, profitable, to any one group could have been accomplished in other ways.