The British T.V. Thread

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But, kostgard, Sherlock and John have websites, too, and this Holmes reboot is all about updating the legend through social media, and how the web democratizes information and access to people we'd not normally be able to access.

If I'm expected to believe that a female Royal would be visiting a dominatrix, I can accept, as well, the other improbabilities, too.

I wonder how many people accurately guessed her password, too. It totally came out of left field for me.

And I'd love to know how many "Stayin' Alive" ringtones have been downloaded in the last 24 hours.

[kostgard]

Jan 2, 2012 18:19:26 GMT -4 @bstewart said:

But, kostgard, Sherlock and John have websites, too, and this Holmes reboot is all about updating the legend through social media, and how the web democratizes information and access to people we'd not normally be able to access.

Yeah, I know (and in this case it was all about a phone rather than photos - original Irene had photos of the king and Sherlock kept a photo of her as a reminder, this time it's her phone that holds the secrets and that Sherlock keeps). But for those very reasons I think someone like Irene wouldn't have a web presence.

But I'm less disappointed about that than I am about the ending. I wanted Irene to really and truly win, like the original Irene. I liked that Sherlock was able to save Mycroft's ass a bit by handing the phone and the info over to him, but the whole point of Irene was that she beat Sherlock Holmes. And the original didn't develop a crush on him, she was married to someone else and in the end happily left with her husband (indicating that she was only keeping the incriminating photos of the king as leverage to make sure that he never bothered her again) and she didn't need to be saved by him. Maybe this was about making the characters less asexual/Victorian, but it just didn't quite work for me.

Again, all that aside I still enjoyed the episode and the series is still very entertaining.

And everyone enjoy the quick view of Cumberbum that the kids on the internet have already whipped up.

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Well, given that in this incarnation Sherlock is apparently a virgin, it makes a lot of sense (to me, at least) that his most confounding adversary (next to Moriarty) is a woman who's all about sex.

Rewatching the episode, I'm loving the eye communication during the safe-opening scene, which I misread when I first watched it.

[Malle Babbe]

Yeah, the trippy solving of the Case of the Unobserved Boomerang was great, esp, with the transition from the field to the bedroom. It was almost like something that you would see in theater. That and the sight of John effortlessly heaving Sherlock back onto his bed to sleep off the knockout drug. That, and I was impressed with his ability to get Sherlock into a headlock despite being a head shorter.

For someone with a reach like his, you'd think Sherlock would have a better Win/Loss record in brawling. Still, I was surprised by how tidy his bedroom appeared.

[Witchie]

I knew it was Kate Middleton!

Yeah, I tend to think Sherlock was clueless to Molly's crush, which is why Moriarty used her. I didn't get the code until now. I feel dumb. That was seriously juvenile.

[kateln]

Again, the jokes were the best part of the episode for me, including John's (while having Sherlock in a headlock) "I had bad days" response to Sherlock's "You were a Doctor!". This is an episode I liked IN SPITE of the case, not because of it. If that makes sense. If I think about Irene and the case, then I have too many questions, and too many moments where I can poke holes into the story. As opposed to seeing how funny and comfortable Sherlock and John were together, Lestrade's phone call to the other detective, and seeing that Sherlock is more comfortable with people now.

[Augustus]

Yeah, I enjoyed the story around the case more than the case itself. I liked how protective they are of Mrs Hudson, like when Mycroft tells her to shut up, both yell at him. Looking back, what stands out most IMO is the relationship between John and Sherlock, and Mrs Hudson. Who indeed rocks, "Ewww! Thumbs!" and puts them back in the fridge drawer. Hee!

[Malle Babbe]

Re: back to Adler. Given the stalking theme that one can see in the ACD version, and the existence of tons of surveillance cameras all over London in our time, the internet, and the fact that you can have a device that is a camera, video camera, telephone, music player, AND internet connecting and is the size of a pack of cigarettes, there was a lot more that could have been done.

Still, you can tell that the guys were stuck by the pool for a long time; look how long Moriarty's hair grew between seasons!

[Carolina]

Really enjoyed it overall. I appreciated all the humor they managed to inject into it, particularly with Moriarity and his cell phone.

Jan 2, 2012 18:46:44 GMT -4 kostgard said:

But I'm less disappointed about that than I am about the ending. I wanted Irene to really and truly win, like the original Irene. I liked that Sherlock was able to save Mycroft's ass a bit by handing the phone and the info over to him, but the whole point of Irene was that she beat Sherlock Holmes. And the original didn't develop a crush on him, she was married to someone else and in the end happily left with her husband (indicating that she was only keeping the incriminating photos of the king as leverage to make sure that he never bothered her again) and she didn't need to be saved by him. Maybe this was about making the characters less asexual/Victorian, but it just didn't quite work for me.

See, in this version I wanted Irene to end up in prison with the key thrown away or with her head lopped off because, IMO, she had it coming. In the original, all she had were some compromising photos of the prince of Bohemia whereas in this version she was sharing state secrets of the anti-terrorist variety with Moriarity. Bitch deserved her fate, not for Sherlock Holmes to rescue her.

ITA with what you say about her falling for Sherlock. Didn't care for it at all.

[Witchie]

Jan 2, 2012 22:23:28 GMT -4 Carolina said:

Really enjoyed it overall. I appreciated all the humor they managed to inject into it, particularly with Moriarity and his cell phone.

Jan 2, 2012 18:46:44 GMT -4 kostgard said:

But I'm less disappointed about that than I am about the ending. I wanted Irene to really and truly win, like the original Irene. I liked that Sherlock was able to save Mycroft's ass a bit by handing the phone and the info over to him, but the whole point of Irene was that she beat Sherlock Holmes. And the original didn't develop a crush on him, she was married to someone else and in the end happily left with her husband (indicating that she was only keeping the incriminating photos of the king as leverage to make sure that he never bothered her again) and she didn't need to be saved by him. Maybe this was about making the characters less asexual/Victorian, but it just didn't quite work for me.

See, in this version I wanted Irene to end up in prison with the key thrown away or with her head lopped off because, IMO, she had it coming. In the original, all she had were some compromising photos of the prince of Bohemia whereas in this version she was sharing state secrets of the anti-terrorist variety with Moriarity. Bitch deserved her fate, not for Sherlock Holmes to rescue her.

ITA with what you say about her falling for Sherlock. Didn't care for it at all.

Yeah. That's why I had no problem with her being dead.

Oh! I know what I wanted to ask. What did the little girls say? I tried turning the volume up, but still missed it. Of course, my mouth dropped open with Sherlock's response. Oh, Sherlock...