Will Smith

[hildymatildy]

When a person wears their hair in a tight style that pulls on their roots the resulting condition is called, traction alopecia.

My sister wore her hair pulled in a tight ponytail everyday for over 20 years. She was warned to change her hairstyle but she wouldn't.

You can see the potential for traction alopecia in people like Jojo Siwa and Arianna Grande.

It is unclear which type Jada has but all signs point to traction alopecia rather than an autoimmune disorder, either way, it doesn't matter it just sucks.

All that said I had a friend who lost all her hair. The doctor's had no idea why. She moved and I saw her a few years later and all her hair was back. She said her hair loss was due to stress. I can't even imagine being so stressed my hair fell out.

[cremetangerine82]

One of the great points in Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s Substack article is assuming all women are fragile creatures who need the protection of a Strong Man (textbook benevolent sexism). Jada seems like she could have handled this herself, but Will made this into an infamous event.

No matter what caused her alopecia, Chris Rock probably didn’t know about it, and could have already apologized to Jada in an untelevised moment.

More importantly, I hope Will apologized to Chris.

I just already saw on my Amazon device an article entitled “The Racial Implications of the Will Smith and Chris Rock Incident”!

OMG, are people writing dissertations on this shit?!?

[JDub]

The footage I'd like to see is from the moment the camera was back on Chris and the audience was reacting. Presumably there was still a cameraman facing Will and Jada. I'd like to see what happened in that moment that turned it from Will doing his usual fake laughing and Jada looking annoyed to him flipping a switch and strutting on stage. It just seemed so odd and an extreme overreaction to a mild off the cuff joke. I had to go back to listen to what he even said that would warrant that reaction. Esp from Will as he has always come off extremely image conscious.

A few things. Will has come off extremely desperate for an Oscar for some time now(I always figured that was the real reason for their 2016 boycott,because he wasn't nominated). Also, I think it was last year that he posted a shirtless pic and said he was in the worst shape of his life. This was after the much-memed RTT entanglements ep. His self serving speech even referenced "taking abuse, people talking crazy about you, being disrespected". That pretty much affirmed for me that he's tightly wound because of being ridiculed for awhile now, tied in with his desperation for the Oscar. His ego took over, along with whatever he's going through in his personal life that he covers up with his usual superficial charm.

I knew there was no way Chris would press charges. And don't think he'll have his Oscar taken away. Many posted his career is done. Nah, not likely. I think he won't be presenting Best Actress next year and he likely won't be nominated again for awhile, if ever.

Hard to believe they actually asked him to leave and he refused. A lesser star would have been ejected immediately. Let him have his win but he shouldn't have been allowed to stay and also drone on for 5 minutes calling himself a protector,etc. What bs. It was gross when Amy Schumer joked "what'd I miss" and they cut to Will in the audience with his huge fake laugh. Like, what?? Why is he pretending it was just a silly bit? He just assaulted someone. I side eye his apology, which I felt was more PR because he knew he fucked himself with the Academy. I want to actually believe he meant that statement, but the footage of him having a blast afterwards gives me pause. Well, he got his coveted Oscar, but that night will always bring up just that picture. He also shit all over Questlove's moment, not to mention I don't think I saw any mention of CODA winning Best Picture in the news. Who even won Best Director?? I have no clue.

Chris starts a big tour this weekend. I can't see how he doesn't mention it

[Ginger]

Chris is here in Boston this week and did his first show last night:

"How was your weekend?" Rock said at the start of his show, according to Variety. "I don't have a bunch of s**t about what happened, so if you came to hear that, I have a whole show I wrote before this weekend. I'm still kind of processing what happened. So, at some point I'll talk about that s**t. And it will be serious and funny."

Mar 8, 2005 16:36:35 GMT -4 JDub said:

The footage I'd like to see is from the moment the camera was back on Chris and the audience was reacting. Presumably there was still a cameraman facing Will and Jada.

There is audience footage taken from a few seats behind Will and Jada.

[JDub]

Thanks for that. Surprised I missed that footage today. I find it extra weird that Jada is clearly laughing at "Will Smith smacked the shit out of me" (along with the audience who all seem to think it's a bit) then again at "this is the greatest night in television".

[cremetangerine82]

Mar 31, 2022 22:45:21 GMT -4 JDub said:

He also shit all over Questlove's moment, not to mention I don't think I saw any mention of CODA winning Best Picture in the news. Who even won Best Director?? I have no clue.

Questlove did have his win for Best Documentary Picture ruined.

Jane Campion won for Best Director, only the third women to win (and first to be nominated twice), for The Power of the Dog. Her historic win was ruined.

The Best Picture winner for CODA was a lead on my Apple News bulletin, immediately followed by mention The Slap^TM. Their historic win was ruined.

[Deleted]

A lot of the reporting here was The slap first and oh btw awards went to x, y z!

[mandasant]

Mar 31, 2022 20:21:53 GMT -4 hildymatildy said:

When a person wears their hair in a tight style that pulls on their roots the resulting condition is called, traction alopecia.

My sister wore her hair pulled in a tight ponytail everyday for over 20 years. She was warned to change her hairstyle but she wouldn't.

You can see the potential for traction alopecia in people like Jojo Siwa and Arianna Grande.

It is unclear which type Jada has but all signs point to traction alopecia rather than an autoimmune disorder, either way, it doesn't matter it just sucks.

All that said I had a friend who lost all her hair. The doctor's had no idea why. She moved and I saw her a few years later and all her hair was back. She said her hair loss was due to stress. I can't even imagine being so stressed my hair fell out.

I'm glad this was mentioned, as alopecia varies greatly in severity, and isn't always auto-immune. The brother of my childhood best friend had Alopecia Universalis. He developed it after a severe viral infection. That boy had not a hair anywhere on his body. No eyelashes, not even normal nostril hair, nothing. Conversely, my niece had tension alopecia from constantly wearing high, tight ponytails, even to bed. My niece's hair grew back after some time without the ponytails. Last I knew, my friend's brother was still completely hairless.

[laurenj]

Mar 31, 2022 17:18:47 GMT -4 Ridha said:

One thing that I feel is a bit relevant, is that I’ve read in a couple of articles that Jada’s alopecia might in her case not be due to an auto-immune disease, but rather that there is a high proportion of alopecia later in life in wearers of weaves (eg Naomi Campbell I believe has also lost a couple of inches off her hairline). Now the reason I think there is a distinction to be made is that both Will in his ‘apology’ to Chris, and other apologists that I’ve read on social media have cited “medical condition” as *gasp* the line you don’t cross.

But there have been many jokes and commentary, including at awards shows and in mainstream media and boards, about excessive plastic surgery or plastic surgery gone wrong. It’s of course sad for the person either way but there is less sympathy probably on the basis that it happened as an unintended result of their own choice. Even excessive blow dries in youth can lead to straw hair by the age of 50, and that too is a short term thinking choice over long term, and that thinking was also a personal choice.

If it’s true that in Jada’s case the alopecia was due to weaves and not a medical condition I can well imagine that the Smiths would still try to hide behind medical condition. And even if not true and due to an auto immune condition, I think even the word “medical condition” over “alopecia” in his statement was him trying to raise the sub-conscious idea of cancer/chemo in the minds of readers.

The bolded is what's been puzzling me about the ire toward the joke itself, this sudden declaration that one never comments on anyone else's appearance in polite society...since when? And does this sudden moratorium on discussion of appearance include both positive and negative remarks? Because the joke was neither, really. The pages of this site alone are filled with commentary on various celebrities' appearances with judgments far harsher than comparing Jada's hairstyle to Demi Moore's in a movie.

Especially if Rock didn't know it was a medical condition vs style, how would he know it was off limits. Alopecia is something that she can't help, but aging is also something that can't be helped, yet it's open season on the actresses who turn to plastic surgery to preserve their youth. I guess you can call it a choice and therefore immune to the newly declared "no commenting on facets of appearance that can't be helped," but there would surely be a plethora of comments about how old/bad someone looks when they don't go the surgery route.

This is super weird, Jim Carrey has been outspoken about his condemnation of the incident all week, with this being the most pertinent of his comments, IMO: "What that was was someone who was beyond the bandwidth, and he thought more about how he was looking in that moment than what was the right thing to do. I don't condemn him for it, but it was just wrong." but I just ran across this dumbass Newsweek article that took all of the same content and commentary from his earlier comments and twisted it into a new story. Their spin is that Carrey is doing "a u-turn" and is now defending Will Smith. HUH?? Nothing in the body of the article supports that headline or intro sentence in any way, but hey, they got me to click, so mission accomplished, I guess...

Wanda Sykes shares her account from backstage

She is firmly against Will Smith's actions and also says Chris Rock is the only one who has apologized to her for the incident because he feels bad that this story overshadowed Wanda/Regina/Amy's job as hosts.

Also, she wanted to be the one to go out and say "unfortunately Will couldn't be here tonight" after his win.

[famvir]

What if Wanda had made the Jada joke? It’s certainly could have happened. What if Will Smith had bitch slapped Wanda Sykes?