kali
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Post by kali on Sept 2, 2014 10:05:35 GMT -4
The FBI and Apple are both investigating this. The guy is gonna get caught.
And yes, I agree with those who say that just because this isn't in the law books yet, doesn't mean it's no big deal. This is new technology and it takes the legal system a while to catch up. It wasn't so long ago that it was legal to rape your wife in some states. That didn't make it less of a violation. It meant the system was antiquated.
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Post by deeconsistent on Sept 2, 2014 10:33:37 GMT -4
The FBI and Apple are both investigating this. The guy is gonna get caught. Possibly, possibly not. Gawker had some pretty in-depth coverage, and they make a good argument that there probably isn't one guy.It looks like it was a pic trading ring that probably goes back at least a few months, possibly a few years, and involved more than a loose collection of hackers. Though some of the pics probably came from an iCloud hack, there were probably a lot that got stolen through old-fashioned social engineering.
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Post by Hamatron on Sept 2, 2014 10:46:24 GMT -4
No one has directly compared data hacking to rape here.
The problem is that victim shaming is happening, and that can be reminiscent of some of the discourse surrounding rape and assault cases against women.
Regardless, the end result of the crime was people on the internet going on and on about how they got off to these pictures while women are being shamed for their sexuality/being naked. It's easy to connect the dots that this is indeed in the same ballpark as other types of gender-related crime.
Side note: There are quite a few pics out there of people who may be underage, and 4chan, which supposedly has an underground pic ring, is a haven for pedophiles. So yeah, sex-related charges could very well be brought up. If they find the person, which is going to be very hard to do.
Oh, and speaking of child pornography, that wasn't made illegal in the U.S. until the '80s. So yeah, the law isn't always on top crime definitions.
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Post by angelaudie on Sept 2, 2014 11:00:21 GMT -4
I'm not going to keep arguing about this. Basically we have a difference of opinion as to what type of crime was actually committed. That is better left to law enforcement and a jury, if this guy is actually caught (which I doubt). The perpetrator probably doesn't even live in the US. I also think it should be pointed out that Apple is at least partially responsible for the crappy way they package these services, since I have been dealing with an out of space issue on a users iphone. Apple, in their infinite wisdom, makes it practically impossible to manage your backed up files on their icloud servers. The more photos you take, the more gets copied to icloud. There is no way that I could find, (I'm an android user personally) to delete old backup files or download them to another location. It seems to me that all it does is copy any new files created to icloud servers. Since pictures and movie files in general are especially large, they know that you will eventually run into the 5 gig limit and they even prompt you on your phone to buy more storage space! The only type of security I see is the icloud password. Since this was so easy to steal, it is obvious that none of this stuff is encrypted at all. So, Apple is at least partially to blame. I don't think you'll find anybody who will disagree Apple shares responsibility for what happened. Not only does Apple make it next to impossible to remove things from Cloud they didn't put in place the most basic security measures to prevent hackers from hacking into their customers' Clouds. Ever couldn't remember your password or username and ended up locked out of your account after you guessed incorrectly three times? That's to prevent hackers from successfully hacking into your account and most major companies use this security measure. Guess what Apple did do for Cloud. Oh they now but this measure was put in place the other day. So hackers had all the time in the world to guess your username and password until recently. It's really amazing this didn't happen sooner. As for whether or not the hacker get caught I would say he will. If there is more than one that would make things more difficult but not impossible. The odds of nobody going down for this is small I think.
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Post by Hamatron on Sept 2, 2014 11:12:50 GMT -4
Oh yeah. We've been smack-talking Apple since the beginning of this incident. They goofed. Big time.
There's a lot of issues with finding the person that can make it difficult, though. There's all sorts of software out there that masks your identity and covers your footprints online. I guess there is a web browser out there that keeps you anon. There are things that spoof your IP address. Also, if this dude is outside of the U.S.? Or if there's a ring and some major players aren't American? Well, that complicates things more. It's going to be interesting -- and probably a little infuriating -- to see what happens.
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Jun 13, 2024 11:04:07 GMT -4
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 11:34:50 GMT -4
So all celebrities share the same psyche? The same emotional background? You can't assume every single one of these people will be "just fine" after being violated in this way. Some of these women may experience more shame than others, and shame is one of those things that gets stuck in the mind and messes with it long after the incident that created it occurred. Sure, people go on with their lives after things like this happen, but that doesn't mean it's not a big deal. What constitutes how big of a deal something is, especially something of a sexual nature, is a very individual thing.
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Post by Augustus on Sept 2, 2014 12:16:15 GMT -4
Remember that Canadian girl Amanda Todd, who committed suicide after her cyberstalker basically blackmailed her with a nude picture of her when she didn't comply with his demands? One that was taken of her in a spur of a moment of recklessness, and she was only 12. It was the shame and the constant lingering sword of Damocles that returned to haunt her. This is what one nude picture can do to someone, it can destroy someone's life. Same goes for the revenge porn sites out there where bitter exes post naked pictures of their former partners - and let's be honest here, most of those pictured are female - with RL details and often some vile description. There are plenty of stories of women being harassed by complete strangers because of the actions of a jilted lover. This isn't only about the embarrassment and shame for the likes of JLaw and other celebrities, but also the fact that it is something that occurs to ordinary women and how the impetus is once again put on them. And it's a natural fact that the law is always playing catch up with what goes on in society. No lawmaker could envisage the near complete integration of the internet with our daily life 5-10 years ago. Hell, neither could we! So even though there still is no law, it is about high time lawmakers consider the serious ramifications of our online activity. And Apple does have a share in the blame. They famously limit your storage on your actual phone and iPad. You want more? Pay up, or use our snazzy cloud service as the only other option.
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Post by narm on Sept 2, 2014 12:38:42 GMT -4
Yes. This. Thanks, Augustus!
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plush
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Post by plush on Sept 2, 2014 12:40:11 GMT -4
I am not going to lie that I clicked on a link and saw the pictures. Curiosity got the best of me. They were not bad, all women were in great shape and one particular picture of Jlaw where she had hiked up her skirt/dress and just revealed her butt made me laugh because it was goofy rather than sexy. It was sweet. That said, I still think it's a gross violation of privacy and I hope they catch all the people involved and prosecute them to the max sentence the law allows. I exchanged pictures of myself with girlfriends when I was pregnant (via whatsapp) because we were all pregnant for the first time and were going through similar body changes. I would feel terrible if someone out there is looking at my pictures, even if I have never sent complete nudes. On the other hand, I sort of assume that the Internet is never 100 % safe so part of me has made peace with the fact that some creep may hack into my private pictures and see them but that's the price I have to pay for the advanced technology even if <insert company name> assures me of 100% safety. As long as I know nothing about it I am OK. However, I am not a celebrity and my pictures will never be seen by millions of people around the world so I can't even begin to understand the shame these women must be going through. Especially some of them who have never appeared nude on screen. I wish that female nudity was not that big of a deal and most people simply shrugged it off, but unfortunately it is still a tool to shame women for being sexual beings. Also, fuck Ricky Gervais and whoever said that these women are responsible for the leaked nudes for taking the pictures in the first place. Fuck him. They should be expected to do whatever they want within the confines of their bedrooms, even take naked selfies, and the only people who should be embarrassed and prosecuted should be the hackers.
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marvel
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Post by marvel on Sept 2, 2014 12:50:42 GMT -4
Also, fuck Ricky Gervais and whoever said that these women are responsible for the leaked nudes for taking the pictures in the first place. Fuck him. They should be expected to do whatever they want within the confines of their bedrooms, even take naked selfies, and the only people who should be embarrassed and prosecuted should be the hackers. Agreed. I just saw his quote, how infuriating. Now he's trying to back pedal and say he was trying to make a joke, and that jokes don't portray true serious feelings on a subject, yeah whatever, no one believes you. You said what you meant to say, joke or not, what a terrible statement. I grow weary of people trying to blame the women. Who cares if they took naked pictures privately, its not our business nor is it anyone's place to judge them for taking the pictures. This is all on Apple for their subpar security measures and the hackers.
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