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Post by chonies on Oct 14, 2012 23:28:08 GMT -4
Good grief. Questions because all the tumblrs I follow are too busy freaking out to articulate details. How exactly did Sybil die? Why did Matthew come off as a bad guy in this episode? What about Robert? All the fangirls are implicating him. Thanks, Karrit!
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Post by LAX on Oct 15, 2012 0:10:14 GMT -4
Chonies: Sybil died from eclampsia. Robert brought in a fancy doctor, and sided with his diagnosis of Sybil being fine even though the family doctor insisted she was in danger. Shortly after Sybil's death Mary caught Matthew talking business with an associate and she wasn't happy with him about that. She implied Matthew was trying to wrest control of the estate and how bad it was of Matthew do it it while Robert was grieving.
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Post by Baby Fish Mouth on Oct 15, 2012 0:10:25 GMT -4
Good grief. Questions because all the tumblrs I follow are too busy freaking out to articulate details. How exactly did Sybil die? Why did Matthew come off as a bad guy in this episode? What about Robert? All the fangirls are implicating him. Thanks, Karrit! chonies, Sybil developed symptoms of eclampsia during labor. Dr. Clarkson diagnosed it and wanted to send her to the hospital for a c-section, but they brought in another doctor who disagreed and insisted everything was normal. Robert, being totally bullheaded as usual, sided with the other doctor because he didn't want to take the risk of a c-section. Sybil delivered a baby girl and things seemed to be fine until she started having seizures and died in front of the entire family. Mary was upset with Matthew after she caught him discussing Downton's miserable financial situation with the family lawyer the next morning.
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Post by chonies on Oct 15, 2012 0:24:50 GMT -4
Thanks LAX and babyfishmouth! More: so what happened to the baby?
Interesting times.
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Post by LAX on Oct 15, 2012 0:41:49 GMT -4
C: Baby seems to be fine, one last scene had Tom standing in the window holding the little one. It looks like there will be a fight about the religious upbringing between Tom and Robert.
Based on last weeks previews I thought Thomas must have behaved inappropriately towards the new footman, but I didn't see anything he did as wrong. Is the new footman a bit homophobic? For all of Thomas' assholery, I thought his sentiment towards Sybil was very touching. I wish he and O'Brien were still partners in crime instead of pitted against each other.
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Karrit
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Post by Karrit on Oct 15, 2012 12:45:20 GMT -4
Based on last weeks previews I thought Thomas must have behaved inappropriately towards the new footman, but I didn't see anything he did as wrong. Is the new footman a bit homophobic? For all of Thomas' assholery, I thought his sentiment towards Sybil was very touching. I wish he and O'Brien were still partners in crime instead of pitted against each other. I thought that Thomas was a little too "touchy feely" when he was showing James how to wind the clocks. I think O'Brien is trying to get rid of two birds with one stone...Thomas will be fired because he is gay and James will be fired because he beat up Thomas in a homophobic rage. What do you all think the Robert will have to do to get Cora's forgiveness? He has lost all her money, her daughter is dead, and it looks like he is well on course to mis-managing away the money that Matthew brought to the estate.And hoo-boy. Watching the Dowager Duchess come to Downton the morning after Sybil's death was just another example of Dame Maggie doing what she does best. That wobble in her step as she came into the hall, was worth at least an Emmy.[/spoiler]
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Post by sugarhigh on Oct 15, 2012 12:48:21 GMT -4
Are all the spoilered bits related to the most recent Downtown episode? I haven't watched it yet but I am dying to view these spoilers!
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Post by Karrit on Oct 15, 2012 13:54:37 GMT -4
Sugarhigh, the spoilers are all about last night's episode.
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Post by iClaudia on Oct 15, 2012 14:00:36 GMT -4
Yes, they are related to the most recent episode.
I have absolutely loved the last two episodes. Not just amongst the best of this series but amongst the best of all the series. Quite a change from series 2. The episode prior to this one was very well-written, very cohesive, with great dialogue that provided a good balance between drama and humor. I would never have expected such a change in tone from that episode to this last one. I agree that Sybil's death was heavily telegraphed but it was still heartbreaking. The Dowager Countess was in fine form. The scene of her walking to the great (?) room and lifting her veil before entering was quite poignant. She's correct, of course, that none is really to blame but Cora's anger is understandable and I like that Cora and Robert have a conflict that is rooted in the type of unthinkable tragedy that often shatters relationships. If this doesn't bring Edith and Mary closer together, nothing will.
I like Edith's storyline this series. I feel as though all of her anguish is a set up for something wonderful happening to/for her. I hope the pay off is worth the wait.
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Post by bklynred on Oct 15, 2012 16:15:20 GMT -4
Aw shit, I got confused with the UK viewings and spoiled myself, which I rarely do.
I felt soooo bad for Edith. I mean, give the redheaded kid a break already. She's so clear about what she wants.
I couldn't take the Downton Place crisis seriously. Only eight servants? What a scandal! I guess I feel jaded, the idea of someone passing up so much money (did they ever say how much?) over priniciple just seems ridiculous. To the actor's credit I did believe Matthew really couldn't stomach it.
What happened to Tom? I can't believe he shattered so much goodwill in a single episode. Wow.
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