Kate + 8 (Jon Optional)

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Jon was fired from this job a few months ago. "Jon was fired for blowing off shifts and coming in late," claimed the source. "He had no work ethic and felt he could come and go as he pleased."

We've all come across people like this. Jon doesn't have the excuse of dealing with being a former reality star or having suffered through an unhealthy marriage. He's just another one of the millions of entitled asshole losers inhabiting the planet.

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Here's a preview of the special that will be airing next month. Kate's doing her typical too-self-aware mom-in-charge routine that makes America cringe...and pay attention. I'm curious what the game plan was for this special. I think TLC and Kate might have agreed that letting her bitch flag fly was the best way to go. It's possible the kids might be immune to embarrassment at this point since I'm sure both Jon and Kate regularly embarrass them in front of their friends without the cameras. Might as well get paid for it.

[famvir]

I watched the preview, and I actually loved it! I think she handled the surly teen outburst beautifully. (I once kicked a ten yo out of a birthday party because he said he was bored, and made my 7 yo walk home 2 miles from the Y when he openly defied me.)

I never thought of the "give them a cellphone so you can take it away." I need to tell that one to my daughter. We did do a "no gum rule" because if they wanted to rebel, they chewed gum. I don't know how kids rebel if their parents allow drinking, pot smoking in the house. I'm actually more interested in handling the pre-teens/teens than the babies. This is like living in middle school 24/7!

[margojata]

The problem is that it's ON camera. What normal young teen wants to stomp off in a huff about something and have classmates talk about it when it airs? How humiliating for Mady, who never seemed to have a lot of self control anyway, to have this shit be a Two! Hour! Special!

On another note - I HATE Kate's hair. She looks like Kendra - circa Playboy Mansion days. It just looks tacky and fake. And I can't believe this chick has made money on these kids for a whole decade now! I hope she sends her fertility doctor nice Christmas presents.

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The problem is that it's ON camera. What normal young teen wants to stomp off in a huff about something and have classmates talk about it when it airs? How humiliating for Mady

Watching that scene made me wonder if kids are humiliated by things like this anymore (not just the Gosselins but kids in America in general), especially kids Mady's age. What we see as an embarrassing regression into toddlerhood, her friends might perceive as being rebellious and "keeping it real" (or whatever the expression for that sentiment is now). Unless Mady has serious emotional problems that cause her to act out without control, I have to think she just doesn't care. That doesn't take away the blame for Kate, though. The bottomline is that she is willingly allowing her kids to be filmed in a negative light and has no problem broadcasting it to millions. Mady may not care now, but she might later in life. 

[margojata]

I don't know... Cara always seems fairly horrified by the goings on in her life. Maybe Mady really wants to get noticed, even if it's on TV. She was always the child who wanted to act up on camera (good and bad), probably to steal attention away from 6 babies and a drama queen mom. If she grew up only knowing that her life would be filmed, maybe she (and all of them) still don't see the ramifications? It's hard to imagine that the kids at school wouldn't let them all know about it though.

I wonder if this will lead to a new series? And I wonder if Jon is sitting behind a shed shooting up at the thought of Kate getting even richer..

[Ella]

I'm one of 8 girls and my family had it's it's drama queen growing up. She's still that way.When you have a big family you get so many different personalities. Mady would have been this way cameras or not.Parents with large families have to be strict or you get chaos.Sorry but I think that family is mostly normal.You get your bad and good moments. Those kids will survive long after this show is over.

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Watching that scene made me wonder if kids are humiliated by things like this anymore (not just the Gosselins but kids in America in general), especially kids Mady's age.

I don't know how old you are, but Kids These Days are not some alien species, who, because twitter exists, don't have feelings or desires the way people did in the old days. I've never seen the show so I don't know anything about these kids specifically, but they've had cameras shoved in front of their faces their whole lives, not for acting or singing, but for being themselves. The image depended on them performing not as a person who changes and grows, but as part of a unit, and as a twin/sextuplet. Plus her parents care way more about petty drama than providing a stable environment, her dad is never around, and both parents go on TV/social media every chance they get and insult each other, in her dad's case, violently. PLUS all her mother's been saying for the last 5 years is "Mady's the star! She's a natural ham. She wants to be the next Miley!"

I'm not surprised if she has issues in front of a camera. If she plays it up because she's been taught to and the closest thing to a stable influence in her life has told her over and over that's who she is. Not to mention lots of kids, especially at that age, love any kind of attention, regardless of the kind. We all knew that kid in school who would make an utter fool of himself just to get some brief attention. Plus even in non-reality-show families, being famous is seen as a goal.

Here's a preview of the special that will be airing next month. Kate's doing her typical too-self-aware mom-in-charge routine that makes America cringe...and pay attention. I'm curious what the game plan was for this special. I think TLC and Kate might have agreed that letting her bitch flag fly was the best way to go.

Maybe. It seems the fans for this show (way back a million years ago in 2009 when this show was popular) fell into two groups. The first is the celebrity-snark, Radar Online, GWOP people (and the people on this board) who were laughing at the spectacle in much the way we laugh at the Kardashians or Donald Trump. The worse Kate acts, the more they like it.

The second group is the people who genuinely liked the family. They liked the cute kids. They liked the relatable (albeit exaggerated) suburban family struggles. Kate was an aspirational yet obtainable figure to them. They envy her and want to have her life. These are the people who bought her books. I can't imagine these people haven't moved on by now, but if they haven't, they want to see Kate be a prettier, richer, cooler, more together, version of themselves.

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Watching that scene made me wonder if kids are humiliated by things like this anymore (not just the Gosselins but kids in America in general), especially kids Mady's age.

I don't know how old you are, but Kids These Days are not some alien species, who, because twitter exists, don't have feelings or desires the way people did in the old days.

It's not a matter of having or not having feelings. It's how those feelings are processed and what's considered embarrassing. A particular society's definition at a particular time of what is considered embarrassing does change. You Tube,  reality shows, Facebook, Instagram, etc. have changed the way kids perceive embarrassment and what is considered a humiliating experience, and also what is considered private and what is acceptable for the world to see. Society changes and people change along with it. That's all I was getting at. Just thinking out loud and wondering if Mady not making any attempt to control herself with other people around (let alone cameras) might have something to do with that. My kids are 19 and 20, and I have younger nieces and nephews and friends with younger kids, so I'd like to think I still have a fairly good understanding of tween and teen social dynamics. I don't think I qualify as an out of touch "Kids These Days" cane waving old lady just yet. 

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Radar is reporting that Robert Hoffman is re-releasing that book of his. The release will be shortly after Kate's special airs, I guess in the hopes that people will become interested in her again. Here's the melodramatic tagline:

INSIDE KATE GOSSELIN'S 'HOUSE OF HORRORS'

Conspiracy. Massive Coverup. Lawsuits and Legal Threats. Exploitation. Fraud. Abuse. Animal Cruelty. Lies.

Read The Book that two of the most powerful law firms in the country have tried to stop from being published.

Can you tell this guy is a tabloid writer or what?