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[kostgard]

"Jay" of Serial fame has given his first interview. Part One is here. I don't think they've posted other parts yet.

Long story short - he's still full of it. So much of what he says in this interview does not match what he told the police or what he said in court. So he was either lying then or he's lying now. Or both, I guess.

ETA: I doubt he meant to do so, but I think Jay just did Adnan a big fat favor. The fact that his story now is very different from the story he told on the witness stand would indicate that the prosecution's star witness committed perjury, and surely Adnan's lawyers can get an appeal based on that.

[canuckcutie]

He's just not to be believed. He lies and lies but oh now he's telling the truth? Bullshit. He realizes he dug a big hole for himself and now he has no option to keep on digging.

[save lilo!]

Dec 29, 2014 20:21:39 GMT -4 canuckcutie said:

He's just not to be believed. He lies and lies but oh now he's telling the truth? Bullshit. He realizes he dug a big hole for himself and now he has no option to keep on digging.

Why did he choose that outlet for his interview?

[kostgard]

Part two of Jay's interview is up

They will post the third and final installment tomorrow.

This one is mostly about talking to Sarah Koenig, but he still comes across as ridiculous to me and I think he's been reading too much stuff on reddit, etc.

He says that he could tell SK was lying when she came to talk to him and that her "lips were trembling" and the body language of SK and her producer was making him uncomfortable. He said SK told him it was in his best interest to speak up and tell his own story, which Jay took as a threat.

He also allowed them to reprint an email from SK where she's as polite and respectful as she has always come across on the podcast. She apologizes for upsetting his family by showing up, and it is clear that the whole "It's in your best interest to talk" stuff is not a threat, and just her saying that it was his opportunity to tell his side of the story and show his humanity, but that if he didn't talk to her it would be just other people talking about him and they won't be able to paint the full picture. It sounds like the same stuff I'm sure she told everyone in order to get them to talk to her. Not threatening at all.

He also feels that SK "demonized" him. I personally think that SK was as fair as possible to the dude who was clearly lying about many things. She never accused him of anything other than maybe not being truthful. I know people online have accused him of the murder, but SK never did.

The next installment is apparently going to be about how Serial has totally ruined his life. Like, I get it. He probably thought that chapter of his life was well behind him. But it's part of the public record, and if Adnan's family and friends think he is innocent and want to help him, they have the right to go to the media and they media can make their report public. I think he did far more damage to himself with this intervew than Serial ever did. In the interview he confirmed that he lied on the stand, Serial never did that.

ETA: Part three is up

Unsurprisingly, the internet crazies have tried tracking Jay down, which is absolutely not cool. But Jay also seems to believe that Sarah Koenig is out to get him and has been posting his personal information on Reddit, despite her emailing him and telling him in no uncertain terms that neither she nor anyone on her staff has done it (she apparently did ask Jay in the last couple days to talk to her again and would turn it into another episode of Serial, but so far he's refusing and just accusing her of being out to get him).

[mementomori]

Paranoid as fuck and a known lying liar who lies, I'm supposed to cry a river over Internet harassment for a dude who at minimum, buried a 17 year old at the request of her alleged killer (an acquaintance at that)? My dude, really? To hear him say it he has no fewer than eleventy billion enemies after him: 1)proponents of "No Snitching" , Sarah Koenig, her producer, people associated with the mosque, anyone who has EVER posted on Reddit, THE INTERNET, most of Baltimore, etc. If these interviews lead to him being charged with committing perjury...I won't exactly shed a tear.

[kostgard]

Jay does seem rather paranoid and seems to have a persecution complex. I mean, it would be one thing if he was just saying that SK was threatening him to get sympathy, but he produced the emails as "proof" of her threats, and any reasonable person can see that there is nothing threatening in them. It makes his "Adnan threatened me and my girlfriend and there's someone in that white van across the street waiting to hurt me" even harder to swallow.

And all this has just muddled things further. Some say Jay killed Hae, but he really had no motive to do so. But Adnan didn't really, either. A lot of people cite the "he was angry over the breakup" line, but the only person who says that is Jay (who has proven time and again that he's a liar). None of their other friends thought Adnan was taking the breakup badly. Hae clearly wasn't afraid of him - after their breakup, she had a fender-bender and it's Adnan she called for help. She wouldn't have done that if he was frightening her in any way. She had plenty of other friends (including Don) to call if she was trying to avoid calling her parents. I can't buy that motive if Jay is the only source of it. There are some theories that it was actually a third person, but who and why? And why did Jay decide to pin it on Adnan if it was actually a third person?

The only thing that is clear is that Jay lied to the police (several times) and he lied on the stand. Both by his own admission. Just the bit where Adnan shows Jay Hae's body in the trunk has changed location several times - he told the cops it was on Edmonton Street and then one other street before settling on Best Buy. He told some friends it happened at the pool hall, he told others it happened at the library. Now it is at his grandmother's house. Is he lying now? Hard to tell. Every time he changed his story, he said it was because he was trying to protect himself and avoid trouble. Right now he says he feels threatened, so he could be lying again in an effort to protect himself from these perceived threats.

I still don't know who is innocent or guilty, but it is clear at this point the trial and conviction are BS. It really doesn't feel like Adnan should have been convicted and something needs to be done about it. If he doesn't get released, at the very least they should re-open the investigation or give him another trial so new evidence that doesn't rely on a chronic liar and legally/scientifically shaky cell phone data (that now doesn't back any of Jay's story after he changed the timeline yet again) can be explored.

[Deleted]

As I said before, I do believe that Adnan killed Hae, but I also believe that Jay's involvement was bigger than he says it was. What I don't understand is how people (including SK) can say that the essential elements/structure of Jay's story never changed. As far as I understood, the only thing that never changed was "Adnan did it". Every other detail has changed every time he talked, right?

[kostgard]

The "spine" has always been Adnan did it, he showed me her body in the trunk, I helped bury her. He's always maintained those three things, but the details of those three things and everything else surrounding them have changed numerous times.

I believe that he saw her body in a trunk, because he's been pretty consistent on what she looked like in that moment. But he's changed the location of that moment several times. The rest is murky. Did Adnan do it? That's the big question. Did he help bury her? Most likely, since he could describe things about the gravesite, but his story has varied from him just standing and watching Adnan do all the digging and burying (there for moral support, I guess), to helping with the digging and burying, to just helping with the digging a little and then waiting by the car while Adnan hauled her body down to the gravesite and buried her.

[angelaudie]

Does Jay not understand how the internet works? It would be pretty easy for an internet sleuth to google articles about the case and eventually stumble across his name. Plus, Jay announced his interview on his Facebook account which I bet has his name and the current city he's living in. A little more googling around and a person could easily find his address. I have no doubt he has internet loonies harassing him but to suggest Sarah leaked his address is ridiculous.

I actually wonder if the reason why Jay is freaking out is because this latest story is the one he's told his wife all these years. This latest version paints him in the most sympathetic light. Then, here comes SK knocking on his door and all his lies come crashing down.

One things does puzzle me and that's Adnan and Jay's relationship. Both men have stated they more like acquaintances than friends. But they seem to have spent an awfully lot of time together for two guys that barely knew each other. For example, Adnan's track buddy stated it wasn't unusual for Jay to drop off and pick up Adnan. That's not acquaintance behavior. That's friend behavior.

[ladyboy]

I could believe Adnan is guilty, or innocent. I think Jay is definitely guiltier than he claims. Some random thoughts on it - Jay killed her, and pinned it on Adnan. Jen Pusateri killed her, and Jay is covering for her by pinning it on Adnan. Jay and Adnan killed her together. I don't know!

On the driving around together and dropping off at track, it might be more acquaintance-y if Adnan was buying weed in the car, and they weren't really hanging out together.