The Keepers

[Spinderella]

I started to watch this and I'm mid-way into episode 3 and I just have to take a break. It reminds me a lot of "Spotlight", but clearly from a perspective of the victims.

Researching into this case and the priests just blows my mind at how many of these sons of bitches are STILL OUT THERE active and around children, even though they are well-known to being abusers, molesters and rapists. Sick! The fact that these two priests were so in deep with the police, county sheriffs and other law enforcement just irritates me to the core. I couldn't put my finger on why we were getting a side eye look in the first episode when the Lt. that came on the scene first to find Cathy's body was being asked questions about who she could talk to on the force and started to ask a few questions to him in 2016 and how he just acted like he didn't know or had no idea about going any further. I get it now. COVER. UP. Even to this day!?

I have to come back to this and try and finish it more. Horrible what all these women have had to go through, their families and the victims that were murdered as well.

[americanchai]

I found it worth it to watch the whole thing, Spinderella. It's very well done. You may not necessarily get the closure you want but it is worth your time. I'm also still upset about it and the fact that the main offender is dead so he can't be brought back to be tortured in prison. I'm glad that the victims did finally come forward and tell their side of the story. Even if only 1% of it was true, it's still horrific.

[scarlet]

I finished last night. The last episode is really infuriating with the display of how far the Church went to cover for their priests. It was very reminiscent of "Spotlight," in showing how when a complaint was filed they just moved the priest to a different location. It made me recall when we'd get a new priest in our Church when I was a kid and look at it in a whole new way. As Jean succinctly puts it "those fuckers."

[Carolina]

May 30, 2017 10:38:01 GMT -4 scarlet said:

I finished last night. The last episode is really infuriating with the display of how far the Church went to cover for their priests. It was very reminiscent of "Spotlight," in showing how when a complaint was filed they just moved the priest to a different location. It made me recall when we'd get a new priest in our Church when I was a kid and look at it in a whole new way. As Jean succinctly puts it "those fuckers."

You know after the diocese heard Charlie Franz's mother's complaint they figured, "Maskell likes boys. Let's move him to the girls' school. Problem solved." It's so disgusting how the Church is trying to protect these monsters and cover its own ass to this day. But a priest caught having sex with a consenting adult woman? They'll have him defrocked in a New York minute.

As for the suspects in Sister Cathy's murder, I can't say I find any of them especially credible. If it was Schmidt or Davidson, then I think it was a random crime unrelated to what was going on at Keough. If nothing else, I hope to God it wasn't Gerry Koob.

[scarlet]

Yeah, with all due respect to Sister Cathy, her murder was really the supporting player in this series. Abbie and Gemma started out trying to find out who killed her and that morphed into a far wider crime with dozens upon dozens of victims. Truly tragic, but I didn't feel like a strong case was made against any of the subjects shown in the series. And I see zero evidence that Gerry Koob was involved.

But, speaking of Gerry, that letter that Cathy sent him? Didn't it seem like she was telling him she wasn't pregnant?

[Spinderella]

May 30, 2017 13:35:19 GMT -4 scarlet said:

Yeah, with all due respect to Sister Cathy, her murder was really the supporting player in this series. Abbie and Gemma started out trying to find out who killed her and that morphed into a far wider crime with dozens upon dozens of victims. Truly tragic, but I didn't feel like a strong case was made against any of the subjects shown in the series. And I see zero evidence that Gerry Koob was involved.

But, speaking of Gerry, that letter that Cathy sent him? Didn't it seem like she was telling him she wasn't pregnant?

I did finish the series last night and it was so well done and yes, the final episode had me so livid.

With the letter that Cathy sent to Gerry, I too had a feeling like she was telling him that she wasn't pregnant. Wild. I do think that Gerry was not involved in her murder and that there was a lot of emotions going on where there may have been a lot of confusion on time or whatnot. As for Sr. Russell? I don't know about her. Something happened and she either was told to keep her mouth shut and was further threatened or something to that effect.

I actually think the uncles that were implicated as being a part of the murder from the accounts of their nieces, nephew & former spouses were very credible. I think that they all had ties in some way with the church, mainly Magnus and Maskell, and were basically the hired hands to get the job done. My theory on the timeline is:

Two days prior to Cathy leaving to go shopping, there was an encounter with those two students that had pizza and talked with her about Maskell and that Sr. Cathy was going to take care of it. Then the barging in the apartment of the priests and the girls leaving immediately upon their arrival was the final straw with Maskell. Sr. Russell was there, too and I'm surprised she made no mention of their intrusion, because girl be SCARED. They killed her friend! She was a meek person in general and this only caused more sadness and pain for her. The night Cathy went shopping, I have no doubt that she was followed and then kidnapped in her vehicle. Killed near the Schmidt's shop and disposed of at the grounds behind the shop. Then Billy, being that he lived next door to Cathy, took the car back (on purpose) to be easily found. With Joyce's murder I believe this was either to throw the police off (even though I think they were involved) or to make it seem like a spree or something was going on to the public audience.

I think there were other women killed with similar MO's around the same time, no? With Joyce, she KNEW Maskell, too. She was at St. Clements at the same time he was there and I be something went down and they needed to tie up loose ends.

As Jean said, "those FUCKERS!" - I was screaming the same thing (in my head) at my screen. And Sharon May needs to be disbarred and indited for something based on her inability to do her job. Not even bringing it to a Grand Jury? Bitch, please. There was enough evidence to at least let a jury decide if it should go to trial. She was the sex crimes D.A., right? WHERE THE HELL IS BARBA WHEN YOU NEED HIM? My L&O:SVU knowledge makes me question everything that was going on in this investigation.

Did you see how the new detective on the case was totally clueless on the evidence? OMG. The director is telling him things like the letter that was sent to Marilyn AFTER she died and that she never got to open it and that it was logged in evidence but that NO ONE HAD IT? Shit. That detective is in for a wild ride if he can't even get his shit straight.

Man, what a cluster.

[Carolina]

May 30, 2017 13:35:19 GMT -4 scarlet said:

Yeah, with all due respect to Sister Cathy, her murder was really the supporting player in this series. Abbie and Gemma started out trying to find out who killed her and that morphed into a far wider crime with dozens upon dozens of victims. Truly tragic, but I didn't feel like a strong case was made against any of the subjects shown in the series. And I see zero evidence that Gerry Koob was involved.

But, speaking of Gerry, that letter that Cathy sent him? Didn't it seem like she was telling him she wasn't pregnant?

Yeah, that was my first thought. Why else would you mention your period in a love letter? The only thing that made me wonder about Gerry Koob was that bizarre vag wrapped in a newspaper story.

[scarlet]

May 30, 2017 17:34:44 GMT -4 Spinderella said:

I actually think the uncles that were implicated as being a part of the murder from the accounts of their nieces, nephew & former spouses were very credible. I think that they all had ties in some way with the church, mainly Magnus and Maskell, and were basically the hired hands to get the job done. My theory on the timeline is:

Two days prior to Cathy leaving to go shopping, there was an encounter with those two students that had pizza and talked with her about Maskell and that Sr. Cathy was going to take care of it. Then the barging in the apartment of the priests and the girls leaving immediately upon their arrival was the final straw with Maskell. Sr. Russell was there, too and I'm surprised she made no mention of their intrusion, because girl be SCARED. They killed her friend! She was a meek person in general and this only caused more sadness and pain for her. The night Cathy went shopping, I have no doubt that she was followed and then kidnapped in her vehicle. Killed near the Schmidt's shop and disposed of at the grounds behind the shop. Then Billy, being that he lived next door to Cathy, took the car back (on purpose) to be easily found. With Joyce's murder I believe this was either to throw the police off (even though I think they were involved) or to make it seem like a spree or something was going on to the public audience.

I think there were other women killed with similar MO's around the same time, no? With Joyce, she KNEW Maskell, too. She was at St. Clements at the same time he was there and I be something went down and they needed to tie up loose ends.

But, see, given what we saw I don't think any of that is enough to get a case even brought to a jury, never mind a conviction. There's a lot of maybes in there. Just my opinion, but I doubt this case will ever be solved. I'm not even 100% in on Joyce's murder being connected without seeing that FBI file. Now that could bring forth more theories--or it could be 4,000 of lots of nothing and the government is just being the government in stonewalling the FOI request that Abbie filed.

The only thing that made me wonder about Gerry Koob was that bizarre vag wrapped in a newspaper story.

Yeah, that was a truly WTF moment. I'm wondering if he's remembering wrong or the cops just said something about her vag and he conflated that memory it them showing it to her.

[Carolina]

Bumping for Martini Girl...

[petitesuite]

Question for you all--does it pick up by the second episode? I watched the first episode with my boyfriend after hearing all the hype and we both thought the first episode was just...like they sounded like Bigfoot hunters. I guess I'm wondering if, having watched it, you think someone who was really unimpressed by the first episode would find the later ones compelling?