Prince Harry (UK) III

[canuckcutie]

As someone who was born in the UK and does have British citizenship, I don’t think the public care one bit that Charles & William don’t speak to Harry. I think lots of people have problematic people in their life and realize you have to set boundaries to protect yourself.

Sure there was a lot of sympathy for Harry losing his mother so young but there was also a lot of eye-rolling and exasperation over his antics, the drug use, the partying, the fighting, the racist slurs towards his army mates, the drunken striptease in Vegas and on and on… He was hardly a much loved, up standing citizen who has been missed by the public… or his family. I think most people think he needed to grow the hell up and don’t blame his family for having enough.

[Hujambo]

Sept 16, 2024 6:19:39 GMT -4 hellsbells said:

Does there really have to be a villain and a good guy in this situation? Can't they all be messy?

It's a fair question. If only Harry had the wherewithal to ask himself just that before lining his pockets with the signing bonus from Netflix and Spare. Accusing his relations of being jealous, telling the world they cut him off financially (they didn't), saying they abandoned his family and left them to the wolves to die. You're asking if there has to be a villain when one side of the party has done nearly everything to paint the other side as such.

Harry made his bed, now it's time to lie in it. While Catherine was battling an illness late last year, Omid Scobie was hawking his second bile-filled book that was sourced straight from the Sussexes. There's nothing that says that you're honor-bound to put aside someone's horrible behavior towards you because you share genetics. Meg knows all about this. She cut out the man who raised her because he just so happened to organize some pap photographs, which is rich as Meg has Backgrid on speed-dial.

There's no reconciliation. They're overseas. The only ones who want it are the press and his supporters. The Palace is saying "Don't read into this. It's an important birthday, don't expect this next year"

[gremlin45]

I think it's sad that Harry is so estranged from his family but I think it's down to his own actions, so I don't blame Charles & co for taking a huge step back. The royal family don't publicly air their dirty laundry, it's always 'sources close to' or something like that. Harry dragged it all into the open, and came off looking like he was throwing a tantrum. The RF can't do that. Yes, we all know they're as dysfunctional as the average family, but they've survived as an institution for over 1,000 years. They know how to play the game. Anyone who breaks those rules is a threat to 'The Firm'.

Look at Andrew. He is an absolute screw up but he's kept his mouth shut, aside from that Newsnight interview where he tried to defend himself. But he didn't slag off the family in it. He hasn't come out with an autobiography saying it's all Charles's fault. So far, he's still clinging to his position. He's still part of the family, albeit a disgraced member.

I think Harry's now seen as a threat. Even if Charles and William can forgive him for turning on them and betraying them personally, he betrayed the institution they have to protect - it's their job to protect. How can they trust him again?

I'm British; English, to be specific. No one I know talks about Harry unless it's to comment what a mess he is.

[hellsbells]

See, I think what Andrew did was much much much much much much worse.... and a bigger danger to the actual institution. You have someone abusing his position and running around with people who traffic underage girls (and partake in the "sexual antics" -- ie RAPE), and his Royal Family don't publicly denounce his actions.... it's way more problematic than a flouncing off to America temper tantrum from harry and his wife.

That the Royal Family continues to put up with Andrew bc he doesn't badmouth them publicly.... from my perspective... makes them look TERRIBLE.

[gremlin45]

Sept 17, 2024 4:56:09 GMT -4 hellsbells said:

See, I think what Andrew did was much much much much much much worse.... and a bigger danger to the actual institution. You have someone abusing his position and running around with people who traffic underage girls (and partake in the "sexual antics" -- ie RAPE), and his Royal Family don't publicly denounce his actions.... it's way more problematic than a flouncing off to America temper tantrum from harry and his wife.

That the Royal Family continues to put up with Andrew bc he doesn't badmouth them publicly.... from my perspective... makes them look TERRIBLE.

I agree, Andrew's a total sleazebag and a disgrace, but he hasn't attacked the institution (or Charles & co) directly and he hasn't been convicted of anything. He's been stripped of his honours and has been completely sidelined as a royal. Basically, he's been sacked.

I don't know how much the RF actually put up with Andrew. I wouldn't be surprised if Charles doesn't see him at all.

As a sidenote, it also wouldn't surprise me if a heck of a lot of public figures were involved in such things. A highly respected BBC newscaster, Huw Edwards, was just sentenced for possessing child porn. He was the one chosen to announce the death of Queen Elizabeth. (Sickeningly, he got a suspended sentence.)

[Ladybug]

Dec 9, 2008 19:29:13 GMT -4 gremlin45 said:

I think Harry's now seen as a threat. Even if Charles and William can forgive him for turning on them and betraying them personally, he betrayed the institution they have to protect - it's their job to protect. How can they trust him again?

Meghan is also a factor. Maybe Charles and William can eventually forgive Harry, but I doubt either will ever accept Meghan or trust her. With Harry, there's a lifetime of knowing him and loving him and they've probably forgiven him for many things over his lifetime. There's a family bond that they can fall back on. However, Meghan will always be the outsider who brought chaos into the family. And Harry has made it his life's purpose to defend and protect her. So I don't see any reconciliation as long as he's still of that mindset.

[phillipa]

Oh Harry has long, LONG since overstayed his welcome with the public. They sympathized with the little boy who lost his mother, and they probably even thought his partying and drug usage was amusing and even understandable given he was essentially college aged and that's what people at that age do. But the dude is 40 and a father of two, and does not act like it at all. He acts like a petulant child whining about how Daddy doesn't pay enough attention to him. And the public looks at him and looks at his equally petulant wife and they compare them to dutiful William and loyal, strong Catherine. He does not come across well in that comparison at all.

If he thinks he still has the backing of the public, then his information is 20 years out of date.

[royalwave]

If Harry had still been in the fold, undoubtedly there would have been a big birthday bash for him thrown by his father and brother. I seem to recall that the Queen threw a joint 40th birthday party for Will and Kate. They do enjoy celebrating milestones in style--so that's yet another tradition Harry is now missing out on. I think Charles and William (begrudgingly) felt obligated to at least acknowledge the day via their social channels, and I don't view the posts as anything more than that.

In all of this mess, the royals have proven themselves to be the bigger people. Keep in mind that Harry and Meghan are still cosplaying as working royals with their international tours, which they apparently have no intention of letting up on as long as they can continue scrounging up invites. Meghan is still giving interviews indicating she's only scratched the surface of the pain she went through in the royal fold. They are still battling over security--a total farce if ever there was one. They are still competing for clicks by timing every little news release with an announcement from the royal family. It may be more of a Cold War now, but there's still a very passive agressive battle going on.

I've seen no real sign of contrition from either of the Sussexes barring one or two articles saying Meghan supposedly regrets the way she came across in the Oprah interview. I don't see how Charles and William could simply forgive and forget when no attempt has been made at making amends on the part of Harry or his wife. On the contrary, reports are still that Harry expects a groveling apology from his brother. There is zero indication that anything has changed in terms of Harry and Meghan's modus operandi, or that they could ever be trusted. They are still burning through staff and making enemies, they are still incapable of seeing projects through to completion because they apparently don't take any advice, and they still hold massive grudges. Pretty hard to snap your fingers and move on from that.

I think maybe if Meghan could find it in her heart to stop fixating on Will and Kate and start offering "olive branches" to someone who has loved her from birth and been invested in her happiness pretty much all the years of her life...namely Thomas Markle...that would be a good place to start demonstrating growth. Thomas is a person who can offer her nothing in terms of the fame and fortune she most seeks but who would undoubtedly welcome any contact with open arms, and would probably be much more open to trusting her than someone like Prince William. Of course, the Sussexes don't really want to make an honest attempt at turning the page and rebuilding family relationships, but if they did that would be an easy place to start, for the sake of the love and kindness they profess to want to see in the world rather than ulterior motive$.

[Hujambo]

Harry’s in New York advancing the work of African parks, his employees wearing pins with his royal cypher on them, crown and all.

Not sure which is more pathetic. Completely ignoring the plight of the indigenous people harmed by the rangers of African parks or the use of royal iconography. The institution brought pain and suffering but the trappings are hard to let go of.

[canuckcutie]

They’ll cling to those titles and royal trappings as much as they can because they know that’s the only currency they have. I just hope it gets blatant enough that William is King he steps in and deals with them.

Harry is going to keep on ignoring the African Parks scandal until it blows up in his face or the media is willing to call him out. Given Harry & Meghan closely control media access, I’m guessing the latter is never going to happen.