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Post by Brookie on Sept 2, 2014 20:48:50 GMT -4
Disconnecting a patient from life support,with or without a DNR, can take longer than most people realize. I imagine the hospital has a committee of doctors and nurses who get together and discuss each case, and then make the decision. I had to go through it with both my parents. Two and half weeks with my mother(who didn't have a living will) and a week with my father (who did have a living will). Seriously? My dad died at a hospital and all it took was my signature (both parents had living wills); 10 minutes later, he was gone. Mom was under hospice care, and although the EMT's were called on her last morning (she was doing home hospice care), they took no heroic action. Why does it need to be so complicated?
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Post by Spinderella on Sept 3, 2014 8:39:55 GMT -4
I was coming back to say the same thing, Brookie.
I know when someone is under hospice, they don't do anything heroic. My grandmother was at our home under hospice care and when it came time for her to go, she was made comfortable and that was it.
But for my dad, he had no will at all (crazy, I know) and all it took was for me to sign the document since he was no longer married and I was the only one that could sign for him as his eldest child. Shortly thereafter, he was gone.
I've never heard of it taking weeks. Wouldn't that be incredibly cruel and unusual? I could only see something like that if they were trying to determine next of kin or who had power of attorney and the right to make the decision. Beyond that, I don't think it's really an issue for JR since Melissa is pretty much calling the shots for her mom at this point.
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Post by discoprincess on Sept 3, 2014 10:44:56 GMT -4
I've not cared for Joan's mean brand of comedy (and how it seemed to be getting meaner in recent years), but I will say this for her: she hustled. QVC is one of my guilty tv pleasures and she is out there selling her stuff and working it. And I will always admire her for that. I saw Joan on QVC hustling within the past month! I think the item featured was a quilted jacket that would be good for the fall. ETA: Did Joan ever do any of those "reverse mortgage" or life insurance for older people commercials?
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Post by FotoStoreSheila on Sept 3, 2014 11:05:58 GMT -4
ETA: Did Joan ever do any of those "reverse mortgage" or life insurance for older people commercials? Joan isn't the kindly old lady next door that you trust when she says a reverse mortgage is a good idea. Joan is the lady at the party you sit next to if you have nothing nice to say about the other guests. Bitter, caustic, and wickedly funny. I always laugh (in spite of myself) at the sometimes horrible things she says on Fashion Police.
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Post by Mouse on Sept 3, 2014 11:12:26 GMT -4
I have never liked Joan or her brand of humor, but I feel for her and Melissa right now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 11:14:08 GMT -4
I used to like her a lot, but her "jokes" on FP and elsewhere lately have just been too cruel and mean-spirited for me to find them funny. Though really I mostly stopped watching FP because I can't stand Kelly Osborne.
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Post by margojata on Sept 3, 2014 12:12:42 GMT -4
I think she just got to the age of "I don't give a crap" about the off-color humor. She went with it, and it didn't bother me because there are so many stories of how good she is but doesn't advertise it (like Robin Williams - all the GOOD stories come out after they're gone or sick). I stopped watching FP because I have a burning dislike for Giuliana (and Kelly sitting there talking fashion with a purple mohawk? Yeah, NO).
Tuesday was supposed to be the day (according to all those sources) that they were going to take away the life support, but I guess that didn't happen. Maybe people are saying their goodbyes, making peace, etc. I hate to be negative about that, but that's what I'm reading.
I wonder about Melissa. I think she should have enough money to get herself through life. Joan has been hustling like crazy for years. I do wonder if Melissa might feel FREED when her mother goes? That happens too with mothers and daughters who are tied together and not always liking each other. Joan clearly adored Melissa - Melissa, hmm. She seems to bitch and whine so much about her mother. Of course we all do at times, but I think Melissa resented how much she needed and depended on mom. I just hope she didn't inherit any mental illness from her dad. People are never mentally healthy when they commit suicide. If I remember correctly, Edgar was Joan's manager and produced that late night show that sunk her with Carson. I think Joan only lasted a year, then Edgar took it all personally and OD'ed alone out of town. Terrible for a daughter. But Joan is not a young woman, and while you HATE for any parent to go, this is at least more natural. I agree that she should have been in a hospital if she was having anesthesia, but I also don't want Melissa throwing "lawsuit!" out there ALREADY. At least not publicly.
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Post by prada on Sept 3, 2014 12:23:32 GMT -4
I am really sad about Joan. I know she has said some awful things but deep down I feel she is a good person. I watched her Wife Swap episode with Bristol Palin and she was actually very kind and accepting towards her. Plus I sometimes watched Melissa and Joan's reality show and she adores her family and friends. Cody, her grandson, is such a sweet, well adjusted kid. He loves his grandma to pieces. I know it is a longshot but I am pulling for her.
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Post by Baby Fish Mouth on Sept 3, 2014 12:45:31 GMT -4
Disconnecting a patient from life support,with or without a DNR, can take longer than most people realize. I imagine the hospital has a committee of doctors and nurses who get together and discuss each case, and then make the decision. I had to go through it with both my parents. Two and half weeks with my mother(who didn't have a living will) and a week with my father (who did have a living will). Seriously? My dad died at a hospital and all it took was my signature (both parents had living wills); 10 minutes later, he was gone. Mom was under hospice care, and although the EMT's were called on her last morning (she was doing home hospice care), they took no heroic action. Why does it need to be so complicated? It usually doesn't, but Joan's case is different in that she wasn't in hospice and obviously wasn't expected to end up like this. In my state I believe two different doctors have to agree that there is little to no hope of the patient recovering. That determination probably hasn't been made yet. Even if it has, I'm sure Melissa will have a difficult time letting go.
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Post by pathtaken on Sept 3, 2014 14:23:59 GMT -4
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