Amanda Bynes

[cancan]

Oh yeah. Try to avoid the phrase "jointly and severally liable."

[sobe]

Nov 14, 2014 10:33:15 GMT -4 discoprincess said:

Nov 13, 2014 17:47:40 GMT -4 LurkerNan said:

TMZ is reporting she's trashing her roommates flat, getting blue dye and cigarette burns everywhere. The mom of one of the real roommates, who co-signed the lease, tried to get Amanda's parents to pay for the damage, but Amanda's mom told her they knew she was impaired before they invited her to live with them, so that's on them.

• Has the mom of the roommates not been paying attention to the celebrity news outlets like TMZ at all?
• Amanda's parents are surrendering conservatorship over her, right? Plus, Amanda's no longer a minor. How would Amanda's parents be on the hook for this?

They wouldn't personally be on the hook for it, but if Amanda's mom still has a conservatorship over her estate, anyone thinking of suing Amanda for damages would have to go through her mom, the conservator. It was initially reported that her mom was handing over both the conservatorship over the person (routine medical care) and the estate (finances and assets) to a professional conservator and a money manager, respectively, but I thought I read later that her mom was going to keep the conservatorship over the estate.

[cinnacism]

I know it looks outrageous that she's out roaming around, but I agree that under certain circumstances, there's not much anyone can do about it. If she is lucid enough to answer certain questions (about suicidal intent or homicidal intent against a specific person, plus basic things like agreeing to mosey on home if a cop questions her), I can't see how any hospital would admit her for inpatient against her will. I have a few patients who are clearly delusional and having hallucinations, but as long as they aren't much more than a nuisance, they're not gonna get admitted to a hospital if they don't want to go. And some people just aren't very responsive to meds, so that doesn't leave a lot of options for a decent outcome. If the meds they've tried aren't sufficient, she may never get a chance to develop the needed insight to keep herself on track.

It seems like the factor that worked in Britney's favor is that she wasn't outright hating on her family for months at a time. She was definitely acting rebellious with the bare feet and the balcony, but she didn't seem to get all weirdly delusional about her parents, so she was able to accept the help they arranged (with a decent amount of coaxing, perhaps). Amanda is actively, consistently resisting.

This is sort of off-topic, but tangentially related: my friend died from her severe anorexia a few years ago. I looked into how easy it would have been to get her involuntarily committed, and the answer seemed to be: not very. She was more or less lucid the day she died (a little off, but only noticeable if you knew her well), and was VERY invested in being left alone. So if she told a cop, doctor, or judge something like "I understand the gravity of this situation and I am entering a treatment facility tomorrow," they wouldn't have been able to force her into a hospital against her will, even though she was deep into a double-digit weight. And patients leave the hospital AMA (against medical advice) all the time. Someone would have to make the argument that she was in imminent danger to herself through self-starvation, and if she just promised (lied) to go home and eat immediately, it would be much harder to make that case. I think I may have mentioned her on this board before. It really is interesting, from a philosophical perspective, how we determine how much autonomy to grant individuals.

[angelaudie]

TMZ has audio recordings that are allegedly of Amanda expressing a desire to kill her parents and burn down their home. Mr. and Mrs. Bynes? Get recordings and take before a judge STAT!

[Hamatron]

Is that enough to do anything, though? Wouldn't she have to threaten them in the moment in front of an authority figure for that to hold any weight? It's scary that she is talking about killing her Dad, though.

[Mutagen]

I read that story and wondered, who the hell leaked those recordings to TMZ? Somebody in her life really, really sucks.

[Hamatron]

I'm guessing one of the twenty-something kids living in the pad she has been trashing/crashing at?

[cinnacism]

Yeah she'd have to say something that is basically "I want to kill my parents, and here's how and when I'd do it, and yes I intend to follow through with this." Or convince someone to reasonably believe that she has this intent and it's imminent (like, her plan is to do it soon, not next month or something). State laws vary, but generally it's "imminent danger." Lots of people go around saying they're going to kill so-and-so, and even give plans, like "I swear, I'm gonna put cyanide in my boss's coffee" but no one's gonna get committed for just that.

[discoprincess]

Amanda tried to enter a VIP section of an LA nightclub where Paris Hilton was partying. Paris resented the intrusion, so she had Amanda escorted out.

Link.

P.S. Witness also said that Amanda seemed to be weird, and out of it.

[pachengala]

Nov 16, 2014 18:18:23 GMT -4 discoprincess said:

Amanda tried to enter a VIP section of an LA nightclub where Paris Hilton was partying. Paris resented the intrusion, so she had Amanda escorted out.

Link.

P.S. Witness also said that Amanda seemed to be weird, and out of it.

Isn't Paris Hilton like 40 now? A little old to be pulling Mean Girl shit at what must be LA's saddest nightclub. Meanwhile, I feel worst in this entire situation for Amanda's parents. They must be feeling every emotion all the time. I wonder how this ends.