hildymatildy
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Post by hildymatildy on Oct 23, 2019 16:28:23 GMT -4
I've got to ask about his name. Do you sound the 'e' so it's pronounced Cook-ie? The surname Cooke is of Scottish origin, so the spelling is probably a hold over of the archaic form of the more modern Cook. Just like Shoppe is the archaic spelling of shop, the e is silent.
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Post by Babycakes on Oct 23, 2019 17:40:41 GMT -4
I never saw Silver Linings Playbook, but always figured her Oscar was a makeup one for Winter's Bone/Hunger Games. Plus, I'm sure Harvey leaned on all the right people.
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Post by sjankis630 on Oct 25, 2019 2:09:24 GMT -4
I'm sure Harvey leaned on all the right people. I cannot let this one go. I assure you Harvey leaned on everyone!
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Post by hildymatildy on Oct 25, 2019 7:19:09 GMT -4
I'm sure Harvey leaned on all the right people. I cannot let this one go. I assure you Harvey leaned on everyone! But why did he lean on people for Jennifer? Remember a few years back when someone hacked into a bunch of celebrity phones and released nude pictures of a bunch of starlets, Jennifer amongst them? Knowing what we know now, I cannot help but think that they were for Harvey. Maybe they really were for a boyfriend as she claimed, but the thought is there. I do want it noted that even though I believe she slept on the casting couch for Harvey (or at the very least sent him nudes on demand), that I don't think it makes her a bad person or that she wasn't a victim. But it does explain her hype. Edit: After typing all that out I began mulling the situation over in my head. The more I thought about it, the sicker to my stomach I began to feel. Partly, because how sleezy my thoughts are and mostly for Jennifer and Harvey's other victims. I am angry that there wasn't someone there to protect them. I am angry that they were forced to make the choice between success in the industry and the use of their bodies. For all the women speaking out about how they rejected Harvey, there are likely more who did not or did not feel empowered enough to walk out on him. He used the tactics he used because they worked. Even worse, Jennifer and even Gwyneth cannot come out and talk about their victimizations because to do so would not only delegitimize their Oscar wins but maybe themselves too. And yes, I think there is far more to Gwyneth's situation than she feels she can admit, and that's fine, at least she can in some way take back her own from Harvey in someway. Jennifer doesn't have the luxury of the same protections.
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Post by sjankis630 on Oct 25, 2019 15:40:20 GMT -4
Even worse, Jennifer and even Gwyneth cannot come out and talk about their victimizations because to do so would not only delegitimize their Oscar wins but maybe themselves too. And yes, I think there is far more to Gwyneth's situation than she feels she can admit, and that's fine, at least she can in some way take back her own from Harvey in someway. Jennifer doesn't have the luxury of the same protections. I think you have something here. I think once you agree to the casting couch (Lawrence & Paltrow - assuming they did so willingly), you are kind of put in a spot that as crazy and wrong as it sounds can come out making it look like a transaction. I doubt I will buy or read Ronan Farrow's book but he is just covering the recent history of all this. Can you imagine how horrible it was back in the 60s and 70s?
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Post by Babycakes on Oct 25, 2019 17:49:28 GMT -4
I wouldn't say it's impossible, but I never thought Jennifer was one of Harvey's victims. Not that she would be immune from his advances, or that she had the right people around to shelter her, or he never tried. I just can't picture her relenting. I can see him putting a hand on the knee, and her politely going, "Oh Harvey, you scamp." and pushing it off. But actually going through with sleeping with him? No. And I don't think the pictures were for him, since that doesn't appear to be his M.O. Of all the accusations I've heard about him, I don't ever recall anyone saying he sexted them, demanded nudes, or videotaped anything. He liked his assaults to be in person, and physical. I could be wrong tho. Cynically speaking, it would have buoyed her public persona to admit that she was revictimized when her nudes got leaked if they were indeed pictures she was forced to take and send to Harvey.
But I think her nudes were just her being young, stupid, and carefree. She was an exhibitionist, and liked taking nude pics and shared some with her friends/boyfriend. Then some scumbag neckbeard came along and dumped them all over the net. I think if they could have been traced back to Harvey, we would have heard about it at the time, or subsequently when all his other crimes came out. There'd be no reason to protect him now.
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Post by FiggyPudding on Oct 26, 2019 0:10:41 GMT -4
I'm just glad the media has finally stopped their breathless reports on her friendship with Amy Schumer.
I was getting really tired of hearing about the script they wrote that was so hilarious and so not getting made into a movie by anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 13:28:23 GMT -4
I wouldn't say it's impossible, but I never thought Jennifer was one of Harvey's victims. Not that she would be immune from his advances, or that she had the right people around to shelter her, or he never tried. I just can't picture her relenting. I can see him putting a hand on the knee, and her politely going, "Oh Harvey, you scamp." and pushing it off. But actually going through with sleeping with him? No. And I don't think the pictures were for him, since that doesn't appear to be his M.O. Of all the accusations I've heard about him, I don't ever recall anyone saying he sexted them, demanded nudes, or videotaped anything. He liked his assaults to be in person, and physical. I could be wrong tho. Cynically speaking, it would have buoyed her public persona to admit that she was revictimized when her nudes got leaked if they were indeed pictures she was forced to take and send to Harvey. But I think her nudes were just her being young, stupid, and carefree. She was an exhibitionist, and liked taking nude pics and shared some with her friends/boyfriend. Then some scumbag neckbeard came along and dumped them all over the net. I think if they could have been traced back to Harvey, we would have heard about it at the time, or subsequently when all his other crimes came out. There'd be no reason to protect him now. I agree, I don’t think the photos were for Harvey, I think they were for Nicholas Hoult. IIRC she and Nicholas both came out saying they were private photos between them (I believe Nicholas’s phone was actually the one hacked, not Jennifer). There was speculation at the time that they might have been sent to Bradley Cooper, I think, so maybe that’s why they chose to speak out. Also, I just have to add that I don’t think sending PRIVATE, sexy photos to your significant other is “stupid.” I also don’t think that taking nude photos for your SO makes you an exhibitionist. Let’s not forget that Jennifer and Nicholas were actually the victims of a hacker. The person who committed criminal acts is the one who should be shamed and punished, not Jennifer or any of the other victims. And Babycakes, I’m not trying to target you with those comments, it’s just a pet peeve of mine. I do realize that people might say that it’s careless to send something like that when you could easily be hacked. That may be true. But I’m pretty sure that we all text things, whether it’s through words or photos, that we wouldn’t want others to see or want to be made public. I guess it’s just a bigger risk when you’re a celeb or public official.
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hildymatildy
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Post by hildymatildy on Oct 26, 2019 15:02:12 GMT -4
I do agree with MadeforTV adults should be able to send nudes to their SO if they want, and in an ideal world people would be ethical and not share them with others or hack into people phones. We don't live in that world and anyone sending such images need to do so with the awareness that they could be shared, especially in the case of a celebrity.
As for asking for nudes and Harvey's M.O. we only know how he treated people who rejected and stood up to him or were subject to abuse for their rejection. We do not know how he behaved with those who cooperated with his demands. Perhaps those nudes were not explicitly for Harvey, but that is beside the point.
From what we know of him, I think he would have already made advances toward a starlet before he ran an Oscar campaign for them. From his M.O. he put moves on them pretty early into his associations. And yes, Jennifer may have escaped his advances, but given his reputation it seems unlikely that she would escape unscathed.
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Post by Ladybug on Oct 26, 2019 18:24:10 GMT -4
I'm just glad the media has finally stopped their breathless reports on her friendship with Amy Schumer. I was getting really tired of hearing about the script they wrote that was so hilarious and so not getting made into a movie by anyone. Does anyone know if Amy went to her wedding?
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