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Post by kostgard on Aug 20, 2015 16:51:10 GMT -4
I would be surprised if she got anything other than some fines, famous or no. Here in my town some dude plowed through a stop sign and hit some kids, and he just got a slap on the wrist.
I don't think people go to jail often for car accidents.
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Post by discoprincess on Aug 23, 2015 10:49:01 GMT -4
I would be surprised if she got anything other than some fines, famous or no. Here in my town some dude plowed through a stop sign and hit some kids, and he just got a slap on the wrist. I don't think people go to jail often for car accidents. Agreed. Here in New York City, there have been several high-profile incidents of drivers hitting pedestrians and either seriously injuring them (like the taxi driver who jumped a curb and maimed a tourist so badly that her leg had to be amputated) or killing them but then they face no serious charges, that in the comments sections on blogs there's a running joke: "No criminality suspected." I don't see Caitlyn going to jail either realistically, but she shouldn't get off scot free either.
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Post by kostgard on Sept 10, 2015 15:07:07 GMT -4
Well, I've actually stuck with Cait's show almost all the way through (season finale this Sunday) even though it is mostly boring when it focuses on Cait (it gets interesting when it focuses on any of her new trans friends) and the irritating fact that they've been promoting the big talk with Kris in the finale for, like, four episodes now, always acting like the talk is happening in the next episode.
But I am still overall fascinated at how Caitlyn is still so socially conservative despite her situation. There's still some crap there that I don't think she's quite addressing. She was on Ellen and it was clear that her support of same-sex marriage is lukewarm at best, and Ellen mentioned in an interview with Stern that she found that very disappointing. And Cait still seems a bit dodgy on exactly what her sexuality is. She basically dances around the topic on the show, even when Jennifer Boylan straight-up asks her about it. She talks about how being treated like a "normal" woman by a man would make her feel more like her transition is complete or validated, but I don't think she is attracted to men. I suspect she is still attracted to women but really, REALLY wants to avoid the "lesbian" label (I used to think that maybe she was attracted to men but that still felt "gay" in her mind or something, but now I think it's the opposite). It feels so weird to me that she can come out publicly as trans but is still so weirded out by this other stuff. I don't know if she realizes that if she wanted to get married again, she's in a position where she could get grief from her fellow conservatives about it, no matter who she married (if she married a lady, then that's two ladies marrying, but if she married a dude, a lot of people would still be all, "Hey, you've still got that Y chromosome, so this is still two dudes getting married).
I get she's been living in a bubble of wealth and fame for a long time, but...dang, girl. She's really out of touch on a lot of stuff.
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Post by Auroranorth on Sept 10, 2015 18:01:37 GMT -4
I dislike her because she's made a habit of bailing on her children. Right now her 18yo is running around with lips bigger than Catelyn's and dating a man who enjoys jailbait. And she's too busy in her new life to care- as usual.
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freelancergirl
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Post by freelancergirl on Sept 10, 2015 18:21:33 GMT -4
kostgard- I haven't been watching the show (or really paying that much attention to her), so forgive me if this question is totally off-base but...does she seem happier? Because every picture I see of her, she seems grim, and now I wonder if she thought maybe the transition would be easier/more than it is/offer her instant happiness when it is still (as it seems like it would be) a struggle. I hope that doesn't sound like I'm saying - "oh, does she regret her decision," because I don't mean it like that at all! I understand that this was profoundly where her emotional space/gender identification needed to be. And I'm basing this strictly off of photo assumption. From that photo assumption (and your post about how there is clearly something deeper that has yet to be resolved when it comes to her sexual identity, etc), I wonder if she's truly happier.
(Again, I hope this post is taken in the spirit it's intended, nothing more.)
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Post by kostgard on Sept 10, 2015 18:40:29 GMT -4
kostgard- I haven't been watching the show (or really paying that much attention to her), so forgive me if this question is totally off-base but...does she seem happier? Because every picture I see of her, she seems grim, and now I wonder if she thought maybe the transition would be easier/more than it is/offer her instant happiness when it is still (as it seems like it would be) a struggle. I hope that doesn't sound like I'm saying - "oh, does she regret her decision," because I don't mean it like that at all! I understand that this was profoundly where her emotional space/gender identification needed to be. And I'm basing this strictly off of photo assumption. From that photo assumption (and your post about how there is clearly something deeper that has yet to be resolved when it comes to her sexual identity, etc), I wonder if she's truly happier. (Again, I hope this post is taken in the spirit it's intended, nothing more.) I don't think I've ever seen more than 90 seconds of KUWTK footage, so I don't really have a basis for comparison, but she does strike me as happy overall (and people on the show keep commenting that she seems happier). I think she is still nervous about some things - like dating - and is very concerned about being perceived as a freak (someone on the show actually called her on that - she was talking about how she wants to do work to "normalize" things for trans people as much as possible, and someone said "That's great. But part of that is because you don't want to be seen as a freak"). And despite her transition, she still has some very "traditional" opinions on how things should be, and that's why she's very dodgy about dating or even declaring who she would be interested in dating. She still seems very concerned about how she is perceived. I also get the feeling that things aren't as hunky-dory with the Kardashians as they claim to be in public. There are moments on the show where she complains that she hasn't seen or heard from a lot of the kids (Kim is apparently the one who communicates the most). And the season finale apparently kicks off with a conversation about how Cait wasn't invited to Kylie's (I think?) graduation celebration. I'm sure a lot of this is normal stuff that happens when someone transitions, but it isn't all roses, either. It also feels like some of it is Kris calling the shots. But overall she seems to enjoy her new outward expression and is enjoying her time with her new friends (especially Candis Cayne). And I think she is sincere when she says she wants to do some good for the trans community. She definitely takes after her family with the fashion/hair/makeup stuff, and she definitely has been living in a bubble with little to no idea how the 99% live. The show has been educating her on some of that, but some of it still hasn't sunk in.
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freelancergirl
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Post by freelancergirl on Sept 10, 2015 18:43:12 GMT -4
Thanks for answering, kostgard. Just shows ya that photo assumption is just that.
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Post by eveschmeve on Sept 10, 2015 19:34:10 GMT -4
It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. Before her transition, her parenting was bad because she had all of these demons she was fighting. I know that just because you transition it doesn't mean all of your problems will be solved, but what will be the excuse for bad parenting now? Any way you slice it, both her and Kris have failed Kylie.
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Post by eclair on Sept 10, 2015 19:43:03 GMT -4
Caitlyn seems as utterly self absorbed, entitled and out of touch as any one percenter. I have nothing against transwomen, or transpeople, but I think Caitlyn is as loathsome as any Kardashian. The transition might be the least objectionable thing about her. When this is all over I think her old friends will have deserted her, and I don't see her and her new (hired) LGBT friendships continuing after the show ends. I don't know if they are trying to create an image for the show, and if so, what image, but she seems incredibly shallow, completely uninformed on Trans issues, and like she'd never though in decades of being in the wrong body about transitioning, the details, what it would mean for her. She produces the show, so it isn't the editing. I don't think she knows how poorly she comes across.
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Post by Carolina on Sept 10, 2015 20:56:46 GMT -4
I've watched most of I Am Cait and about 10 episodes of KUWTK. On KUWTK, I'd, to a point, felt for Bruce and with everything she'd been through with transitioning, I was predisposed to view her new show favorably. It makes me wonder if the KUWTK producers did Cait a favor with the editing, because on IAC, she comes across as awful. That she and Kris spent 20+ years together isn't surprising in the least. Cait's just as bad as the rest of them. I also get the feeling that things aren't as hunky-dory with the Kardashians as they claim to be in public. There are moments on the show where she complains that she hasn't seen or heard from a lot of the kids (Kim is apparently the one who communicates the most). And the season finale apparently kicks off with a conversation about how Cait wasn't invited to Kylie's (I think?) graduation celebration. I'm sure a lot of this is normal stuff that happens when someone transitions, but it isn't all roses, either. It also feels like some of it is Kris calling the shots. ITA, however it takes two people to have a relationship. Has Cait been doing her part? She sure hasn't with regard to parenting. The whole thing with Kylie's graduation strikes me as laughable. If Caitlin was a fraction of the parent she should have been, there would have been no need to "invite" her to Kylie's graduation party. Who knows, maybe Cait has regularly called and visited or was willing to visit all them and they haven't reciprocated. It's also possible that with all she went through with her decision to transition and transitioning itself, she had to cloister herself away and for better or worse, she checked out. The problem is, she's already checked out on two other families. It could have been the exceptional circumstances or it could just be that's how Cait rolls. Whenever one of the Ks tries to express any kind of issue they have with something Cait's done or the way she's handled something, Cait shuts them down. Cait seems to say the right things when talking about difficulties her family has with her transition in talking heads, but when she's actually with them, comes across as 'Ugh, are you not over this yet?'. It just seems as if she talks the talk, wanting to rebuild relationships, but isn't willing to walk the walk or is upset it isn't happening on her timeline. The show actually manages to make me sympathize with the Kardashians far more than Caitlin. It's worth noting that Cait's sisters seem nice and Esther, her mom, seems awesome. I don't even know where to start with Caitlin's politics, the lesbian thing, and how sincere her interest is in transgender advocacy. It's a complete WTF. I will say that the one thing I do really appreciate about this show is getting to see all the for real trans advocates and transgender men and women who have shared their stories and information.
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