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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 10:38:51 GMT -4
it's really about being a rich person who enjoys the tax breaks the Republicans give them, so they turn a blind eye to everything else because they want to hang onto their money. See, that I get (in theory). ALL the Republicans I know are in it to protect their money, but at least they're not in denial about what the GOP IS. She's just straight up denying facts (the GOP is not anti-LGBT) and inventing other shit that's never going to happen (that Ted Cruz might put all of her "girls" on a "trans issues board"). Seriously? No, really, SERIOUSLY?? I'm on the fence re the show, too. I read that some trans rights groups are calling on people to boycott the show -- due to her backwards-ass politics -- and I want to be supportive of them. But ... the trainwreck factor is STRONG with this one ...
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Post by chonies on Mar 8, 2016 10:47:38 GMT -4
I don't follow her at all, but tbh, this sounds so banal and normal and it sounds like a lot of the depth of stuff I read from college students on YikYak. I mean, it's a bit at odds with her stated desire to educate and enlighten, but in a way, some of the awful parts that I find personally off-putting (hypocritical-seeming political positions) demonstrate that this is actually not a Hollyweird brainwashing (like someone said upthread), and that maybe all of our expectations about gender and sexuality are kind of messed up.
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Post by deeconsistent on Mar 8, 2016 13:18:07 GMT -4
I don't follow her at all, but tbh, this sounds so banal and normal and it sounds like a lot of the depth of stuff I read from college students on YikYak. I mean, it's a bit at odds with her stated desire to educate and enlighten, but in a way, some of the awful parts that I find personally off-putting (hypocritical-seeming political positions) demonstrate that this is actually not a Hollyweird brainwashing (like someone said upthread), and that maybe all of our expectations about gender and sexuality are kind of messed up. That's one way to look at it. Another is that Caitlyn, pre-transition, had a remarkable life of privilege. Wealth, fame, good looks. As Bruce, she appears not to have experienced the level transphobia a lot of other transfolk experience. Her public transition was sudden and overwhelmingly celebrated . In a family full of famous women, she immediately became the most (only?)respected and beloved voice of them all. I don't recall what her post-Olympics fame was like, but if her current status doesn't exceed it, I would bet that it rivals it. These last bits are tied to two things: the fact that she transitioned and the fact that she transitioned SPECIFICALLY from a rich, famous, good-looking white dude. It's possible that all our expectations about gender are messed up, but it's also possible that she had fucked up thoughts about gender and sexuality to begin with and a largely seamless transition- buoyed by a lifetime of extreme privilege- is reinforcing them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 13:54:59 GMT -4
Exactly. Bruce Jenner was far removed from the realities of life and so is Caitlyn Jenner. She is a poor representative for the trans movement.
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Post by famvir on Mar 8, 2016 14:04:30 GMT -4
I also think that as a wealthy entitled white dude who transed, she is perfectly set up to be the token transgendered poster child for the Conservative party. I am sure she is treated extremely well amongst her colleagues. Hey, she is not discriminated against, so no one is. And she can be trotted out (in a Ben Carson/Marco Rubio "I got mine, must be something wrong with you" way) to show that conservatives love the gays/transgender. They just don't think you should get unfair special treatment, like being allowed to marry, have kids, teach school, go to the bathroom, those kind of things. And look, one of our best friend is transgendered. Vote for us!
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Post by kostgard on Mar 8, 2016 15:12:21 GMT -4
it's really about being a rich person who enjoys the tax breaks the Republicans give them, so they turn a blind eye to everything else because they want to hang onto their money. See, that I get (in theory). ALL the Republicans I know are in it to protect their money, but at least they're not in denial about what the GOP IS. She's just straight up denying facts (the GOP is not anti-LGBT) and inventing other shit that's never going to happen (that Ted Cruz might put all of her "girls" on a "trans issues board"). Seriously? No, really, SERIOUSLY?? I'm on the fence re the show, too. I read that some trans rights groups are calling on people to boycott the show -- due to her backwards-ass politics -- and I want to be supportive of them. But ... the trainwreck factor is STRONG with this one ... The level of denial can be amazing. But I also think that Cait honestly just doesn't care deep down. She lives in a 1%-er bubble, she likes it there, and she honestly doesn't care what it is like for other people. I think she is sincere in her efforts to help educate people, but I don't know if she is really willing to get her hands dirty. I haven't seen this episode, but it sounds like she all but stuck her fingers in her ears singing "La, la, la, I can hear you!" when the other ladies tried to educate her on what her chosen political party has done against the trans community. She goes and visits other people and listens to their stories, but then she runs right back to her private country club. It is also kinda odd how little she knows about the trans community. I can see why she would not go to some trans event before transitioning because she didn't want to go public. But outside of a couple books and talking to her therapist, I don't think she's done much homework about other people in her situation. You'd think she'd be scouring Google for all sorts of info and joining message boards anonymously, but I don't think she did that at all.
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Post by deeconsistent on Mar 8, 2016 15:25:30 GMT -4
I also think that as a wealthy entitled white dude who transed, she is perfectly set up to be the token transgendered poster child for the Conservative party. I am sure she is treated extremely well amongst her colleagues. Hey, she is not discriminated against, so no one is. And she can be trotted out (in a Ben Carson/Marco Rubio "I got mine, must be something wrong with you" way) to show that conservatives love the gays/transgender. They just don't think you should get unfair special treatment, like being allowed to marry, have kids, teach school, go to the bathroom, those kind of things. And look, one of our best friend is transgendered. Vote for us! You know what the sad part is? It seems like they don't even give this much of a fuck to pay lip service. So even though Caitlyn probably would be perfectly fine with being their token best friend, they don't want her.
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Post by baileydash on Mar 8, 2016 15:27:24 GMT -4
Has Cait actually asked Ted what he thinks about her desire to be a bridge between him and the Transgender community? I suspect Ted doesn't want her help or to be associated with Ms. Jenner in any way. But for some reason, Cait seems to be in denial about this certainty.
Ted Cruz is a very smart and very scary reactionary whose politics are straight outta the 19th century. He's much like Trump only Cruz still slickly uses racist, anti-gay, dog-whistle language.
As Harriet Tubman said, " I freed a thousand slaves, I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."
In other words, if people are willfully ignorant about or complicit with those who would oppress them, well, what can you do?
And as to using a transgender woman as a token, I don't think Ted would ever do that. He knows he'd upset too many members of his base.
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Post by Auroranorth on Mar 8, 2016 15:32:26 GMT -4
I just read an article explaining the thought process of trans people who are pro-Cruz.The Caitlyn Jenners of this world can bop on off to Canada or wherever if things get bad here. They don't depend on a job for health insurance- which may very well exclude them anyway. They don't have to worry about being fired or denied a job. They don't have to worry about harassment or assault. She is coming from a place of massive privilege and denial.
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Post by prisma on Mar 9, 2016 11:33:56 GMT -4
Ugh. I never got on board the admiration train with Caitlyn Jenner and this is precisely why. She is completely lacking in empathy and pretty untethered from reality. Seriously: Ted Cruz? If Ted Cruz had his way, he'd probably have all gay and trans people in extermination camps as he implemented Christian Sharia law in the U.S. It's laughable that Ted Cruz would want anything to do with her.
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