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Post by americanchai on Sept 1, 2015 8:56:50 GMT -4
I can't believe I'm jumping in to defend Duggar women but I think Jessa and her sisters are in an extremely tough situation - tougher even than Josh. He will get support no matter what he does because he's a man so the men of their "church" will always support him as will his doofus of a mother and wife Anna. The girls have to go along with the will of the family (menfolk in particular) and the will of their church. Whatever damage has been done to them was done long before their brother molested them (allegedly while they were sleeping). The molestation part may not even register with them now - a lot of victims don't deal with situations that traumatic in their own heads until much later in life. I agree that Jessa and the other Duggars should not continue to profit from spouting their very uneducated views, although free speech and all, but I personally can't use the women, particularly the victims, as objects of scorn and ridicule and venom. I know they continue to defend their brother and their family but they are between a rock and a hard place.
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Post by Nysha on Sept 1, 2015 10:31:35 GMT -4
I agree that Jessa and the other Duggars should not continue to profit from spouting their very uneducated views, although free speech and all, but I personally can't use the women, particularly the victims, as objects of scorn and ridicule and venom. I know they continue to defend their brother and their family but they are between a rock and a hard place. I wholeheartedly agree. These women are brainwashed from birth that any deviation from their very-limited role in life will result in everlasting damnation. Since Jessa's FIL has now spoken out against Josh Duggar, I wonder if her and Ben will start to move away from the Duggar compound/mindset and more towards the Seeward family religious views. They're still horribly self-righteous and narrow, but still not as confining as the Gothard/Duggar views.
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Post by GirlyGhoul on Sept 1, 2015 10:35:26 GMT -4
I agree that the girls shouldn't be objects of scorn- even if they are defending their brother (they're only parroting the party line and that's what they've been raised to do) However, I also agree with the Facebook commenters that Jessa is a ridiculous choice for a speaker at a convention meant to empower and uplift women. Giving a microphone to someone who's greatest advice to her audience would be to submit to their husbands and be a happy vessel for popping out children- then beating those children on a blanket... yeah, not a good choice for speaker.
Still, I think Jessa and her sisters should be given invitations to attend the convention- sans father and husbands! They might not buy into the idea that there are lots of options out there for women beyond what's been drilled into their brains all their lives. But I'd love for them to get some exposure to it. Maybe even meet some new friends who could take them aside and say "Girrrrrrrl...!"
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Post by Nysha on Sept 1, 2015 10:53:43 GMT -4
Yeah, I can't imagine what the convention organizers thought Jessa could contribute to an event meant to empower and uplift women. Unless they were short on funds or someone more suitable canceled and she was all they could get.
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Post by azaleaqueen on Sept 1, 2015 11:02:23 GMT -4
What nysha said. Why would anyone want to come and hear someone talk about how they're 22 (23?)and married to an unemployed nerdy kid who seems to only be good for stud service. She has no job skills (yeah, I know about the midwifery, but she's never actually worked)or education and couldn't even prepare dinner when she first married, despite having had to take part in running her mother's house. Yeah, don't we all want to hear that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 14:03:25 GMT -4
The Duggar kids have had plenty of exposure to the outside world with their close relationship with their cousin Amy, all of the traveling they have done and the various speaking engagements they have attended. They have continued to believe what they believe, and it's likely nothing will ever change that because they don't see their beliefs as different from others, they see them as superior. If they weren't inherently arrogant, some common sense would have filtered through at this point. Taking advice from outsiders would be the equivalent of taking advice from a chimpanzee as far as they're concerned. Yes, they are victims and don't deserve ridicule for choosing not to portray themselves as such, but when it comes to every other fucked up thing that comes out of their mouth, they are fair game.
ETA: Jill and Derick have a new blog post.
They are still carrying on with the bullshit line that they have their own ministry when they are actually working with S.O.S Ministries, a well established organization that already receives donations. My guess is that Jill and Derick have cut a deal with SOS where they use their fame to funnel a percentage of their take to them and pocket the rest for themselves and/or get a discount on the S.O.S. fees.
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Post by Ninja Bunny on Sept 1, 2015 15:26:59 GMT -4
RE: Josh's father-in-law - looks to me like a "No True Scotsman" hail Mary attempt to save face. Sorry, pal, but the value system your daughter married into is the root of this whole mess. The Duggars have said it themselves that molestation is rampant in the movement. It's not the "evil" outside world that is the problem, it's the evil right there in your own home and your own home churches that value males, treat females like garbage, and try to sweep crimes under the rug in order to make yourselves look good. The Duggar kids have had plenty of exposure to the outside world with their close relationship with their cousin Amy, all of the traveling they have done and the various speaking engagements they have attended. They have continued to believe what they believe, and it's likely nothing will ever change that because they don't see their beliefs as different from others, they see them as superior. If they weren't inherently arrogant, some common sense would have filtered through at this point. Taking advice from outsiders would be the equivalent of taking advice from a chimpanzee as far as they're concerned. Yes, they are victims and don't deserve ridicule for choosing not to portray themselves as such, but when it comes to every other fucked up thing that comes out of their mouth, they are fair game. This. They're grown adults who have had more exposure to the outside world than most normal people and they're just as responsible for their words and actions as Josh is.
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Post by Nysha on Sept 1, 2015 15:29:21 GMT -4
Missionaries in the church I use to belong to were constantly fundraising for their mission, even though the mission activities were through an official organization. They had to have x amount of money raised before their mission started, and then have another amount come in each month to sustain them. Members of the congregation who were moved to help support them were encouraged to do so with a monthly commitment over the period of their mission (usually 1-3 years). All the money was funneled through the official mission organization, who paid for their expenses and gave them a living stipend.
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Post by Ginger on Sept 1, 2015 15:35:58 GMT -4
Yeah, I can't imagine what the convention organizers thought Jessa could contribute to an event meant to empower and uplift women. Unless they were short on funds or someone more suitable canceled and she was all they could get. Per the original announcement, she was going to contribute her "wedding details" and experiences as a first-time Mom. Very empowering stuff.
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Post by putch on Sept 1, 2015 16:26:48 GMT -4
Kind of hard to contribute your experiences as a first-time Mom when the kid hasn't been born yet, but since she's been married less than a year and has so much advice on marriage, I guess they are ahead of the game for first-time parenting tales.
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