thneed
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Post by thneed on Nov 23, 2014 14:06:30 GMT -4
Neurochick, that's exactly right about Tiger Woods. Cheating on your spouse is wrong, but it's not even close to the same level as rape. Consensually banging 100 skanky cocktail waitresses on the side is infinitely better than one instance of having sex with someone after you've drugged them.
As for Janice Dickinson, I don't know anything about her. But what scares me is that with all the women coming forward, the odds that even one is exaggerating or making it up (or not being honest about the surrounding details even if they are telling the truth about the actual rape), increase. And the second that happens, every story is discredited, the idea that women lie about rape for sport is strengthened and no stain attaches to Bill Cosby's reputation. We still live in a world where we assume successful, educated, wealthy pillars of the community can't be rapists. And that as long as a woman is a good person who makes good life choices, she won't ever be raped.
Also, is there any real threat that a woman could win a huge settlement in a civil trial? People keep saying that's their motivation to lie, but is that really going to happen? I suppose some lawyer could file a class-action suit, but how much damages can be awarded without a criminal indictment? And how much money woulds these women end up with even if they won? Legal Greecies?
And of course, as long as we're using the rape accusations as some kind of proxy for a referendum on race issues in our society, we won't get anywhere. I think that's one of the reason people are conflicted about this - they don't want to give ammunition to the David Dukes and Pat Buchanans of the world. Or they think that acknowledging Bill Cosby is a rapist is the same as coming down on the Coates/Bouie/Jelani Cobb side of the achievement gap issue. Which sounds stupid when you say it out loud, but here we are.
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scrabblequeen
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Post by scrabblequeen on Nov 23, 2014 14:48:23 GMT -4
Cosby's "fixer" from back in the day, Frank Scotti, just gave an interview about the parade of women Cosby had visit his trailer during the Cosby show, payments that were made to women, etc. He can't corroborate rape since he was not there, but if he is to be believed at the very least Cosby had a thing for very young, naive women whom he paid off.
I also saw a clip they played on the Wendy Williams Show of a recent interview with Cosby. Cosby was with his wife and was asked a general question about these allegations. He very quickly turned into one mean SOB...told his assistant to call the reporter's people to let them know the reporter's behavior was unacceptable.
I know nothing about the general rules of celebrity interviews, but hot damn the irony of Cosby being angry that someone he thought he could trust caught him off guard.
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jvegg
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Post by jvegg on Nov 23, 2014 16:13:11 GMT -4
What I find interesting, is one of the women, Angela Leslie said they were doing "an acting exercise" and Cosby asked her to act intoxicated, and that is when he assaulted her. What a creep. He must really have problem with awake not intoxicated women.
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Post by Babycakes on Nov 23, 2014 16:19:06 GMT -4
I know it's completely inappropriate, but I just keep wondering how fast the Law& Order: SVU sweeps episode/finale is being written. Hell, this "ripped from the headlines" storyline may merit a two or three-parter.
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waytoocheerful
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Post by waytoocheerful on Nov 23, 2014 18:59:29 GMT -4
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Post by MrsOldManBalls on Nov 24, 2014 8:40:25 GMT -4
I know nothing about the general rules of celebrity interviews, but hot damn the irony of Cosby being angry that someone he thought he could trust caught him off guard. Players hate getting played.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 10:10:34 GMT -4
This will be People's cover story this week. Never thought I'd see the day...
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Post by discoprincess on Nov 24, 2014 11:14:16 GMT -4
Neurochick, that's exactly right about Tiger Woods. Cheating on your spouse is wrong, but it's not even close to the same level as rape. Consensually banging 100 skanky cocktail waitresses on the side is infinitely better than one instance of having sex with someone after you've drugged them. According to Frank Scotti, there is apparently plenty of the former in Cosby's case as well. Autumn Jackson's mother wasn't the only woman with whom Cosby had an affair. A serial rapist and serial philanderer? Again, how does Camille deal with all of this? She had to have known about some of this, no? Are Camille and Bill still together or are they quietly separated?
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Post by Witchie on Nov 24, 2014 11:54:18 GMT -4
Harvey Levin announced on our morning news show that the first woman wants to file a class action suit with the other victims.
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thneed
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Post by thneed on Nov 24, 2014 12:09:42 GMT -4
Maybe she's getting some on the side too. Maybe she's relieved he's not having sex with her. Personally, I wonder how his daughters feel about all this. The latest idiocy in the ongoing Bill Cosby coverage is the idea that it's somehow more tarnishing to his image than Woody Allen, Roman Polansky etc. rapes are to theirs because his public image was "cuddly dad" instead of "cold intellectual" or "bombastic fratboy" or whatever. That Bill Cosby raping women is somehow a greater violation of the public trust. I'm sorry, that's bullshit. It acts like not raping is something guys do because they're good people. Not because it's a basic tenet of humanity. This is an old article about Bill Cosby, but I think it's really interesting. He has a history of this stuff. A local journalist wrote a mildly critical piece about him, he gets his people to try to bully her paper in printing a retraction. And he remembers the "slight" two years later. He had people dig up dirt on Michael Eric Dyson after he wrote that anti-Cosby book. He also has draconian rules about his interviews. And honestly? I get all that. Any celebrity, even the ones we like, have to be tough as nails. They have to compete. They have to believe they deserve to be rich and famous and adored by millions, and that people standing in their way are wrong and malign. This goes triple for someone from the projects when there were no black people famous at that level. I want to be very clear how I phrase this because I'm not defending or justifying rape. Not at all. But maybe the same kinds of attitudes that made Cosby so successful - taking what he wants without waiting for people to gove it to him, fighting, being tough, not trying to please everyone or be nice, betting on himself - can be appllied in pro- and anti-social ways. It's not a great comparison, but there's a similar attitude about Katherine Heigl. She mouths off to her bosses. We love it when it's do defend a gay costar, we hate it when it's what gets her fired repeatedly. I'm just saying, maybe there are so many celebrity rapists because in order to be that famous, you kind of need a massive ego and the mindset you deserve everything,.
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