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Post by discoprincess on Dec 2, 2014 13:10:56 GMT -4
. Outside higher ed, the push for greater education at the MEd and MAT level has caused a ballooning in the need for more hierarchy, so a master's level degree and experience is now considered insufficient for leadership, which means more people feel obliged to pursue EdDs, which are money-making programs for universities whether or not the work is good. This happens within higher ed too - one can argue this is the case among those in the field of student affairs, where a master's is expected to enter into the field and a doctorate is expected to move up. This is a good example of an applied doctorate. And a PHD is not a "real" doctor, that would be an MD. Technically true, but there are those with doctorates who still expect and/or insist on being called "Dr. So-and-So" or else it's an insult! Some medical doctors earn PhDs as well. I had a dermatologist who had earned both. (I wonder why and how? That seems like earning both degrees would take forever!)
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Post by ladyboy on Dec 2, 2014 13:55:08 GMT -4
OT, but the music teacher at my son's elementary school insisted on being called "Dr." Dude, please.
Topic: I'm still stuck on the 'drugging is his thing'. That's revolting.
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Post by chonies on Dec 2, 2014 14:00:21 GMT -4
I hear about medical doctors who seemingly collect degrees like they're collecting beads at Mardi Gras, and the only thing I can think of is that the requirements for multiple degrees must double count or something. . Outside higher ed, the push for greater education at the MEd and MAT level has caused a ballooning in the need for more hierarchy, so a master's level degree and experience is now considered insufficient for leadership, which means more people feel obliged to pursue EdDs, which are money-making programs for universities whether or not the work is good. This happens within higher ed too - one can argue this is the case among those in the field of student affairs, where a master's is expected to enter into the field and a doctorate is expected to move up. Good lord, yes! I've read job descriptions that require degrees that I'd never heard of, like MA of College Student Development and Student Personnel. I am not knocking these programs, rather just sort of marveling that they exist, and wondering how a person can even get started in the field if they have to get a degree so specialized and might not know exists. Gah! topic: I don't think Cosby will ever really say anything, but will ghost out and disappear and his death will go unannounced for a few weeks. I wonder if his daughters or Camille will ever make a statement, cryptic or otherwise.
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Post by famvir on Dec 2, 2014 14:02:30 GMT -4
Not at a saying PHDs are not real docs, just that those sneering at EdDs should maybe take a look outside their little box.
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Post by baileydash on Dec 2, 2014 14:08:35 GMT -4
I can't remember where I read it, but do I remember reading an article in which a professor from UMass Amherst complained that Cosby didn't deserve his doctorate because he didn't put in the required work. Supposedly, Cosby got lots of passes because he threw dinner parties for professors and threw lots of Money at the school.
He'd hardly be the first person to get preferential treatment, but still, it makes him look like a big, fat, hypocrite.
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Post by discoprincess on Dec 2, 2014 14:14:07 GMT -4
I can't remember where I read it, but do I remember reading an article in which a professor from UMass Amherst complained that Cosby didn't deserve his doctorate because he didn't put in the required work. Supposedly, Cosby got lots of passes because he threw dinner parties for professors and threw lots of Money at the school. He'd hardly be the first person to get preferential treatment, but still, it makes him look like a big, fat, hypocrite. Is there a precedent for revoking a degree? Good lord, yes! I've read job descriptions that require degrees that I'd never heard of, like MA of College Student Development and Student Personnel. I am not knocking these programs, rather just sort of marveling that they exist, and wondering how a person can even get started in the field if they have to get a degree so specialized and might not know exists. chonies - College of Student Development and Student Personnel is a term that's a bit antiquated, even though that's part of the actual program name. Student Affairs basically focus on student life outside of the classroom (like extracurricular activities) although some do teach. There is a lively debate about how specialized the field could or should be, but that's for a different thread!
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Post by tabby on Dec 2, 2014 14:16:35 GMT -4
MDs who do research often go for the PhD as well. Frankly, MDs aren't trained to be researchers, and they're usually pretty lousy at it. I work at a state research university with a medical school, and there are boatloads of MD/PhDs around here.
I know a chemistry PhD who not only sneers at PhDs in disciplines like biology, but he sneers at chemistry PhDs whose particular field of research he dislikes. Academics throw a lot of shade.
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Post by famvir on Dec 2, 2014 14:19:19 GMT -4
BTW, I am reminded of a friend of mine who has a PhD and MD in neurosurgery. It took him forEVER. He was close to 40 when he went into practice (as compared to his colleagues who were closer to 30 when they entered practice). That is a big hit with educational costs running for 12-14 of advanced Ed, and sucky intern and residencies paying peanuts for another 6 years. If you are married with kids (which he was) that is a loooong time before you have money coming in instead of going out.
I asked him why he did it, and he said, "So when people pass me in the hall, they say, 'He's really something....'"
I can't help but think that was one on the most insightful and truthful thing he ever said....or maybe he was just shitting me.
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Post by discoprincess on Dec 2, 2014 14:25:25 GMT -4
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Post by chonies on Dec 2, 2014 14:34:46 GMT -4
I can't remember where I read it, but do I remember reading an article in which a professor from UMass Amherst complained that Cosby didn't deserve his doctorate because he didn't put in the required work. Supposedly, Cosby got lots of passes because he threw dinner parties for professors and threw lots of Money at the school. He'd hardly be the first person to get preferential treatment, but still, it makes him look like a big, fat, hypocrite. I posted a link to an article like that upthread. It's kind of a mess, and now I have no reason not to believe it--I have no problem believing someone else wrote his dissertation, although there's no evidence of that. What I'm thinking about now is that pursuing an EdD is a peculiar thing to do if one is in the entertainment industry. I'm curious about how he ended up there. Is there a Franco/Cosby crossover?
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