Wenton
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Post by Wenton on Dec 1, 2014 21:12:19 GMT -4
He's losing his brand. Good.
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Post by discoprincess on Dec 1, 2014 22:17:39 GMT -4
I'm shocked! Cosby Resigns from Temple University BoardI know the media has really been cracking down on all this "alleged" claims, but if he's truly innocent, why would he settle out of court? Why would he resign this beloved position? I'm not in his mind, but I would be fighting tooth and nail if the allegations weren't true. Mind you, he's resigning from the board 8 years after he settled that lawsuit with Andrea Constand (poor woman) probably because the heat from this avalanche of allegations was too hot for him to handle. Man, this is a big development...like all those heads that rolled at Penn State. I believe old Bil got his EdD from Temple. I'm surprised he didn't hold onto that position out of pure defiance. Postponing a show is one thing; being run off from one of your alma mater is something else entirely. Then again, colleges and universities (e.g. Columbia) have come under fire recently for they way they've been handling students' complaints of sexual assault, so maybe that's why Temple couldn't let this slide. [/speculation]
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celerydunk
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Post by celerydunk on Dec 1, 2014 22:48:26 GMT -4
He has always been a huge supporter of Temple. I'm also shocked he stepped down.
Given his age, I wouldn't be surprised if he retires from the spotlight completely and never formally addresses this.
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Post by chonies on Dec 1, 2014 23:41:02 GMT -4
I'm shocked! Cosby Resigns from Temple University BoardI know the media has really been cracking down on all this "alleged" claims, but if he's truly innocent, why would he settle out of court? Why would he resign this beloved position? I'm not in his mind, but I would be fighting tooth and nail if the allegations weren't true. Mind you, he's resigning from the board 8 years after he settled that lawsuit with Andrea Constand (poor woman) probably because the heat from this avalanche of allegations was too hot for him to handle. Man, this is a big development...like all those heads that rolled at Penn State. I believe old Bil got his EdD from Temple. I'm surprised he didn't hold onto that position out of pure defiance. Postponing a show is one thing; being run off from one of your alma mater is something else entirely. Then again, colleges and universities (e.g. Columbia) have come under fire recently for they way they've been handling students' complaints of sexual assault, so maybe that's why Temple couldn't let this slide. [/speculation] He actually got his EdD from UMass-Amherst, and I think he did his undergrad at Temple. I didn't post this earlier, but about 30 years, someone wrote a book about how EdDs are " a joke"--I don't know how long the debate had been going on before the book was written, but it's still happening in higher ed, and to be honest, I find it extremely tiresome, but that's neither here nor there. I personally don't have a problem with them, but a lot of PhDs mock them. Specific to Cosby, though, it seems Cosby skated through, had insufficient credits and got a lot of passes because of his celebrity. I tried to open his (and Camille's) dissertations the other day, but the database kept mysteriously crashing.
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Post by narm on Dec 1, 2014 23:55:03 GMT -4
He has an actual EdD? I thought all his degrees were honorary, for some reason. I think he has one from my uni, in fact. He'built the track years ago.
It's so gross and depressing to realize he is a pig. His poor victims. It just really makes me sad. And drugging being his "thing"...yeeeeurgh. F this guy.
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Post by chonies on Dec 2, 2014 0:07:13 GMT -4
As far as I can tell, his EdD is legit, or legit under whatever criteria the relevant governing board determined was legit at the time. His dissertation is apparently 242 pages long with 46 footnotes. [me: 46? that's it?]
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 8:46:01 GMT -4
This has really only made big news locally, but he's also stepped down from his fund-raising role at UMass Amherst. He was an honorary co-chair for the fund-raising committee and huge donor for them for years so them asking him to leave is a pretty big deal. I remember he was always in their commercials along with other well-known alumni.
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Post by discoprincess on Dec 2, 2014 10:20:54 GMT -4
He actually got his EdD from UMass-Amherst, and I think he did his undergrad at Temple. I didn't post this earlier, but about 30 years, someone wrote a book about how EdDs are " a joke"--I don't know how long the debate had been going on before the book was written, but it's still happening in higher ed, and to be honest, I find it extremely tiresome, but that's neither here nor there. I personally don't have a problem with them, but a lot of PhDs mock them. Specific to Cosby, though, it seems Cosby skated through, had insufficient credits and got a lot of passes because of his celebrity. I tried to open his (and Camille's) dissertations the other day, but the database kept mysteriously crashing. I stand corrected. chonies, since I work in education, I've heard about how some people in higher ed supposedly look down on EdDs (versus PhDs). Yet, my understanding is that (now) a main difference between an EdD and a PhD is that an EdD is more applied while the PhD is more theoretical. Both require someone to do a lot of original research and both are considered to be terminal degrees, so I don't understand why some academics are throwing shade at EdDs! Now if the rumor is that Cosby kept getting passes because of his celebrity is true, that's something else entirely. Cosby also has honorary degrees. He got one from my alma mater. I attended the commencement ceremony when he was presented with it.
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Post by chonies on Dec 2, 2014 11:18:53 GMT -4
He actually got his EdD from UMass-Amherst, and I think he did his undergrad at Temple. I didn't post this earlier, but about 30 years, someone wrote a book about how EdDs are " a joke"--I don't know how long the debate had been going on before the book was written, but it's still happening in higher ed, and to be honest, I find it extremely tiresome, but that's neither here nor there. I personally don't have a problem with them, but a lot of PhDs mock them. Specific to Cosby, though, it seems Cosby skated through, had insufficient credits and got a lot of passes because of his celebrity. I tried to open his (and Camille's) dissertations the other day, but the database kept mysteriously crashing. I stand corrected. chonies, since I work in education, I've heard about how some people in higher ed supposedly look down on EdDs (versus PhDs). Yet, my understanding is that (now) a main difference between an EdD and a PhD is that an EdD is more applied while the PhD is more theoretical. Both require someone to do a lot of original research and both are considered to be terminal degrees, so I don't understand why some academics are throwing shade at EdDs! Now if the rumor is that Cosby kept getting passes because of his celebrity is true, that's something else entirely. Cosby also has honorary degrees. He got one from my alma mater. I attended the commencement ceremony when he was presented with it. The arguments I've heard from PhDs who throw shade at EdDs are along the lines of what you said--it's applied and not theoretical, but the logical end to that is, well, so what? A PhD in communications or chemistry is pretty applied and specialized, too, and an analysis of women's economic strategies in rural Java contributes to the body of scholarship, but doesn't help me when my cat has a bladder infection. And then, in very broad fields, a PhD in history means a person is an expert on what they wrote their dissertation on, with some learned general knowledge of the discipline, enough to teach a few courses outside their specialty. Even between PhDs there's an irritating amount of, shall we say, the measuring of the specimens. History and English dissertations typically run 300 pages and take a different sort of research than a geosciences or paleoanthropology dissertation. This list from Deadspin made the rounds last week. Here's the thing with EdDs, though--in a lot of fields (like the arts), a terminal degree is usually an MFA. DFAs are available, but the arts are often described as 'applied.' Why write a dissertation when you can have a showing or make a film? However, this is often not taken seriously by people with PhDs, so if a person wants to advance through leadership, then they are often strongly encouraged to get an EdD because it's kind of more legit than an MFA, especially since DFAs are rare programs. But then you have the haters who say it's not real, etc. Outside higher ed, the push for greater education at the MEd and MAT level has caused a ballooning in the need for more hierarchy, so a master's level degree and experience is now considered insufficient for leadership, which means more people feel obliged to pursue EdDs, which are money-making programs for universities whether or not the work is good. And like with many terminal programs, the work has to meet deadlines and be competent, not amazing. Here's a link to his dissertation-- it's about the making of Fat Albert. Legitimate topic, and a brief perusal of the paper makes me think it's competent and complete, but the writing is very terse and lacking nuance--my gradin' hand wanted to make several corrections on style and some stated assumptions. Dissertations and theses are difficult to write and do tend to generate robot language, but on the other hand, it's hard to know what was expected of a graduate student 40 years ago. Sorry for the off-topic tl;dr--it's not Cosby's fault that people don't like EdDs. I think most people forgot he had one, or assumed it was honorary. I know I did.
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Post by famvir on Dec 2, 2014 12:58:11 GMT -4
And a PHD is not a "real" doctor, that would be an MD. But a GP, or a pediatrician or dermatologist are not as "real" as a Neurosurgeon or even an internist (even though they all went through the same 5 years of medical training before they specialized). It's all just a pissing contest anyway.
But put your nose in the air PhD dissing a EdD in a roomful of MD's and watch him shrivel.
Damn I'm tired of this, new addition to Sig line:
cream and topped with bacon are gone
in a roomful of MD's, and
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