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Post by Brookie on Feb 7, 2011 8:31:16 GMT -4
"Today Show" is doing a feature this morning (Monday).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2011 10:38:55 GMT -4
Fuck! The 26 page preview is up at The New Yorker. I guess I won't be going to bed anytime soon. Time to pop some popcorn. I just read that in one go. Thanks for posting it, Babycakes! For those who don't want to read the whole thing, it does make clear that Haggis had no first-hand knowledge of abuse in the Co$; he read about it in the St. Petersburg Times articles, much like most of us here. He then took his concerns to the Co$ leadership and was rebuffed.
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Post by Witchie on Feb 7, 2011 13:25:22 GMT -4
I saw the Today show feature. I was hoping for a video denial from Tommy Davis, but alas he kept the crazy hidden. The New Yorker reporter he initially had CoS' support for the piece, with them giving him access to the teachings. Tommy Davis was supposed to take him on a week tour of their meetings and ceremonies. He said he spent 2 days in a hotel before receiving a call from Davis saying the "church" had changed its mind. He said he had no knowledge of the FBI investigation until his research backed into theirs, and then he got confirmation from the FBI about their investigation. Matt Lauer asked why they were being charged with human trafficking when it seemed that most of the allegations centered around Miscavige's habit of spitting and slapping people. The reporter said the FBI defined the psychological abuse that tied people to the church, forcing them to do these tasks and take this treatment as trafficking in human slaves.
The reporter also mentioned that Haggis didn't know what was going on. He found out after he got out and met with other former members. He also brought up Cruise, and said one worker was asked to install Eucalyptus paneling (or something) in Tommy's car and applied chrome to his motorcycle and was only paid $50 per week. Of course, Tommy's lawyer sent a letter saying TC never received anything free from the church. Sure...
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Post by kostgard on Feb 7, 2011 14:03:12 GMT -4
That was an excellent article, and now I want to read the book when it comes out.
And yes, it does appear that Haggis didn't know about this stuff until he decided to do some research. I strongly suspect that he mostly cast Jason Beghe in his movie because he was thinking about leaving and wanted to talk to him.
And as suspected, Tom benefits from all the slave labor. There are the motorcycles mentioned above, the car, and apparently Sea Org members redid one of his hangers for him. And of course, they can't keep their stories straight. Tom says he hasn't received anything for free, while Tommy Davis says that he has received "tokens of gratitude" but they were no where near what Tom has given to the church.
The best part was all the clearly forged Hubbard military records they showed him, included medals they claimed Hubbard earned when some of them didn't even exist when Hubbard was in the service. And when asked about all the homophobic crap in their materials, Davis was all, "Hubbard didn't say that! Some random bigot stuck that in there! We don't know who, just some random bigot we don't know! But it had all been removed!" So Wright cracks open the copy of Dianetics they just gave him, and there it is on page 125, calling homosexuals perverts.
Oh, and Katie's BFF Jessica given to her when she first signed on? She is Tommy Davis's wife. And she used to special in "security checks" which is the type of auditing designed to get a confession out of someone. Poor Katie didn't stand a chance.
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Post by prada on Feb 7, 2011 14:09:51 GMT -4
The military documents made me laugh. Here's the military insisting that those type of medals don't exist, but don't tell that to the Co$, because they do. I found it creepy to read about Miscavige's wife "dissapearing". I wonder where the hell she is.
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Post by kostgard on Feb 7, 2011 14:21:49 GMT -4
Miscavige's wife is probably at the same Sea Org slave camp Tom's sister disappeared to after she effed up his PR.
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Post by Babycakes on Feb 7, 2011 16:43:44 GMT -4
The military documents made me laugh. Here's the military insisting that those type of medals don't exist, but don't tell that to the Co$, because they do. I found it creepy to read about Miscavige's wife "dissapearing". I wonder where the hell she is. Or scrubbing out dumpsters with a toothbrush. These people are so sick! And the stuff with Haggis's wife and the crap they put her parents through to see their grandson? Christ on a cracker.
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Post by Ninja Bunny on Feb 7, 2011 17:06:09 GMT -4
I need to visit this thread more, I nearly missed out on that goodie on Paul Haggis!
*grabs own bucket of popcorn*
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2011 17:50:26 GMT -4
That was an excellent article, and now I want to read the book when it comes out. And yes, it does appear that Haggis didn't know about this stuff until he decided to do some research. I strongly suspect that he mostly cast Jason Beghe in his movie because he was thinking about leaving and wanted to talk to him. Once I realized that it was indeed Jason Beghe in that movie (I recognized his voice but not his face) I figured it was a case of two former Scienos supporting each other. Beghe doesn't do that many movies.
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Post by Wol on Feb 7, 2011 17:50:46 GMT -4
I didn't find the article particularly interesting. Most of it is stuff we already knew from these boards and following anti-Clam web material (Lisa McPherson's death, the Sea Org billion year contracts, the lunacy of the OT III sci-fi story). If you follow this at all you know exactly what Miscavige is about. We all know Jessica Feshbach was Katie's minder - no mention of that in the article. And Paul Haggis comes off like a tool, imo. NOW he's saying how helpful psychiatry is and NOW he's saying not to be surprised if he has an "accident" in two years.
My favorite line was Mark Isham saying that reading anti-Clam material is like trying to understand Judaism by reading "Mein Kampf."
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