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Post by kostgard on Feb 6, 2011 22:24:26 GMT -4
If that could be said of Haggis, that could be said of just about everyone in the Co$. Why do people witness accidents and not stop to help? Why do good people let bad things happen? Several thousand sociology papers have been written on the subject. I personally don't care that Haggis' isn't simon pure. He's the highest ranking, famous Scieno ever to come out against the bastards and he'll do a ton of good as a result. If Paul Haggis, Scieno circa 1983 had done the same thing, no one would have cared. Now that he's famous, they'll care. Yes, it is true that ultimately this is doing some good. And considering the clams' bread and butter is fear and intimidation, then it makes perfect sense that he feared retribution. It just got to the point where he couldn't stand it anymore and didn't care anymore. But it still makes me give all these celebs the side-eye when they enjoy all the luxury given to them by the church, and they know it is the result of back-breaking, practically slave labor. They can deny all they want, but Haggis has made it clear that he knew what was happening. Travolta started to speak out about how he disapproved of the way Miscavige was running things (until Miscavige apparently shut him up or cranked up the brainwashing), indicating that he knows as well. And considering Tom is practically Miscavige's BFF, he has to know about this crap. I wonder if he's even witnessed some of Miscavige's famous temper (where he'll beat the crap out of his staff).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2011 22:31:20 GMT -4
But it still makes me give all these celebs the side-eye when they enjoy all the luxury given to them by the church, and they know it is the result of back-breaking, practically slave labor. You're talking about celebrities and movie stars, people who are used to lesser beings scrambling about to do their bidding. They probably see, or choose to see, no difference in a 19 year old Sea Org picking up after them and a 19 year old hotel maid to party hostess cleaning up their vomit or comping them a bottle of Dom. Sea Orgs planted a meadow with wildflowers for Tom Cruise but production assistants have been setting up luxury movie trailers and peeling his grapes since he was 23. This is his life and he probably sees no reason to question it.
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Post by Witchie on Feb 6, 2011 22:35:59 GMT -4
If that could be said of Haggis, that could be said of just about everyone in the Co$. Why do people witness accidents and not stop to help? Why do good people let bad things happen? Several thousand sociology papers have been written on the subject. I personally don't care that Haggis' isn't simon pure. He's the highest ranking, famous Scieno ever to come out against the bastards and he'll do a ton of good as a result. If Paul Haggis, Scieno circa 1983 had done the same thing, no one would have cared. Now that he's famous, they'll care. Yes, it is true that ultimately this is doing some good. And considering the clams' bread and butter is fear and intimidation, then it makes perfect sense that he feared retribution. It just got to the point where he couldn't stand it anymore and didn't care anymore. But it still makes me give all these celebs the side-eye when they enjoy all the luxury given to them by the church, and they know it is the result of back-breaking, practically slave labor. They can deny all they want, but Haggis has made it clear that he knew what was happening. Travolta started to speak out about how he disapproved of the way Miscavige was running things (until Miscavige apparently shut him up or cranked up the brainwashing), indicating that he knows as well. And considering Tom is practically Miscavige's BFF, he has to know about this crap. I wonder if he's even witnessed some of Miscavige's famous temper (where he'll beat the crap out of his staff). What she said. Regardless of his reasons for leaving the church & speaking out, he (and all of those upper level members) knew what was going on and was perfectly okay with those things until the CoS turned on him. And I do understand the dangers. I do and I'm really concerned about the reporter. Maybe he feels safe because the FBI is involved.
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Post by Babycakes on Feb 6, 2011 23:04:50 GMT -4
Gawker comment: Xenu and Tom Cruise will not take this lying down (bent over a stool, maybe).
;D I'm 12.
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Post by londonstill on Feb 6, 2011 23:27:59 GMT -4
Did he know for sure though? Maybe that he didn’t give weight to claims of abuse until he started personally experiencing practises that the church had claimed were lies.
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Post by kostgard on Feb 6, 2011 23:38:12 GMT -4
I can't wait until the church's completely awful spokesman, Tommy Davis, has to make the rounds to refute all this stuff (which basically consists of him acting like a lunatic and then throwing a hissy fit and stomping off when he gets asked questions he doesn't like - like the Xenu question). And then there's this, Which has Hubbard himself telling the Xenu story. It sounds like Hubbard was pulling it all out of his ass as he was going along.
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Post by mrspickles on Feb 7, 2011 0:10:49 GMT -4
I just hope this actually goes somewhere, instead of one of those "no credible evidence to support" kind of investigations.
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Post by Babycakes on Feb 7, 2011 1:31:22 GMT -4
Fuck! The 26 page preview is up at The New Yorker. I guess I won't be going to bed anytime soon. Time to pop some popcorn.
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londonstill
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Post by londonstill on Feb 7, 2011 2:11:21 GMT -4
Thanks Babycakes!
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Post by Babycakes on Feb 7, 2011 3:55:08 GMT -4
Thanks Babycakes! You're welcome londonstill. I'm only about half way through, and I have so many hair on fire things to blast, but this has to be the worst so far: Seriously, what the fuck Scientologists? How can you instill that into children?! ETA: OMG. I can't believe I stayed up and read the whole thing. I cannot wait to see the fall out from this.
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