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Post by eclair on Jan 6, 2011 11:25:53 GMT -4
Winners (losers?) take on the Kabbalah cultists next.
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Post by canuckcutie on Jan 15, 2011 12:13:27 GMT -4
I finally got to see the Panorama special on Scientology today. For anyone who gets BBC world news I think it is reairing again at 4am Sunday morning. I knew most of the stuff already bug it gave me the chills. The Scientology goons who followed the reporter everywhere? Creepy. Can you imagine any other "church" doing that?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 16:57:15 GMT -4
The Scientology goons who followed the reporter everywhere? Creepy. Can you imagine any other "church" doing that? My mother could probably round up a posse of old ladies from St. Mark's. They'll threaten you with hard candies from the bottom of their purses, tell you you're driving too fast, and ask you why you're not married yet. You'll crack within three days.
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Post by Witchie on Feb 6, 2011 20:14:19 GMT -4
FBI investigating the CoS for human trafficking. Shit just got real. Gawker[/color]
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Post by kostgard on Feb 6, 2011 21:00:23 GMT -4
God, will somebody finally take these a-holes down? Can they at least take away their tax-exempt status?
If someone wants to run off with their beliefs and start a new church (that won't cost an arm and a leg to join), that's fine. If holding tin cans and hearing about aliens makes you feel better about yourself, then go for it. But all the abuse, threats, brainwashing, etc., has really got to be stopped.
I'm glad this is being written (and I can't wait to read the whole thing), and I know that Paul Haggis is playing a huge part because he's talking to this guy and giving up the info. But, this is also making me wonder what the hell is wrong with Haggis (other than whatever compelled him to write Crash).
I mean, the article indicates that due to his high position in the church, Haggis knew a lot of this shit was going down. But he didn't really object until some "Disconnect" practices were applied to his family. That is what pissed him off, that is what prompted him to write the open "screw you guys, I'm going home" letter to the clams, and what compelled him to talk to this New Yorker writer. But it never occurred to him to think, "You know, this doesn't feel right" earlier than that?
And if Paul Haggis knew about this stuff, what do other high-ranking celebs like Tom Cruise and John Travolta know? I always assumed that most of the ugly underbelly of the church was concealed from the celebs, and they just treated like royalty and told everything was lovely. But do they know about this shit and just look away? I know in the past Travolta started to object to how the church was run, but now he's back to toeing the line.
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Post by Witchie on Feb 6, 2011 21:17:04 GMT -4
If that's the truth and Haggis knew & did nothing, then shame on him. It shouldn't take these atrocities happening to his family for him to act. What about all the other families and innocents? Ugh. I want these people taken down.
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Post by canuckcutie on Feb 6, 2011 21:39:27 GMT -4
Cruise is the highest level of OT isn't he? I'm not sure what haggis was but surely Cruise must know everything, he just choses to look the other way.
At least Haggis is speaking out now and doing his part to bring the church down. Even with these allegations I'm sure cruise & travolta will continue to defend the church.
I can't wait to read the new yorker article !
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Post by Brookie on Feb 6, 2011 21:41:18 GMT -4
Generally speaking, you don't do anything about anything while you're still active in the "church". You do it after you leave. It DOES take something massively terrible to happen to a family member sometimes. People are terrified of the retribution. They do have to be taken down, but it's going to take a concerted effort by a lot of people. They've managed to infiltrate the IRS, the government, etc (from what I've read at Operation Clambake). The folks at OC are elated over this turn of events; they are hoping it's going to do the job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2011 21:41:55 GMT -4
If that could be said of Haggis, that could be said of just about everyone in the Co$. Why do people witness accidents and not stop to help? Why do good people let bad things happen? Several thousand sociology papers have been written on the subject. I personally don't care that Haggis' isn't simon pure. He's the highest ranking, famous Scieno ever to come out against the bastards and he'll do a ton of good as a result. If Paul Haggis, Scieno circa 1983 had done the same thing, no one would have cared. Now that he's famous, they'll care.
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Post by Babycakes on Feb 6, 2011 21:55:11 GMT -4
Cruise is the highest level of OT isn't he? I'm not sure what haggis was but surely Cruise must know everything, he just choses to look the other way. At least Haggis is speaking out now and doing his part to bring the church down. Even with these allegations I'm sure cruise & travolta will continue to defend the church. I can't wait to read the new yorker article ! I don't actually hate Cruise, I think he's a pathetic nut, but I'd dance a jig if he got perp walked to a cruiser (heh) in handcuffs. Miscavige I see putting a bullet in his head before he'd go to prison. I really hope 2011 is the year CoS is brought to its knees.
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