True Crime

[celerydunk]

There is another site about MacDonald run by his current wife. Not surprisingly, she believes he is innocent. Can we talk about women who start writing prisoners and marry them? Thats a whole weird discussion in itself.

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I just read a story about prison wives last week- I think it was in People.

I just don't understand the mentality.

[Shanmac]

I don't, either. I can see if you're in love with someone and he goes to prison -- you might really want to believe he's innocent and stick by him. But the women who marry men after they go to the joint? I do not get that at all.

Sunnyhorse, that's an interesting Jack the Ripper theory. Reading about those murders freaks me right the hell out, but it just fascinates me. Who was this guy? Why don't we know? It's so frustrating!

[thewrongparty]

nitenurse said:

The Moors Murders were a horrible time in the UK. Kind of took away a feeling of innocence. Myra Hyndley is dead. Interesting thing is while in prison she became a lesbian, Roman Catholic, and died of Cancer. Ian is still alive and hopefully rotting in hell.

Nitenurse, do you recall the controversy over The Smiths' song about the Moors Murders, "Suffer the Little Children"? I was a big Smiths fan total Smiths nerd in high school and I remember wondering why people felt such a sad and touching (IMHO) song was exploitive. Of course, I was far, far removed from the time period and cultural context. Maybe it was just too painful for people to hear the story reenacted in song, especially with the lyrics taking multiple points of view?

wiki page w/ lyrics

only youtube video I could find of the song (with a corny homemade animation)
this guy doing a cover of the pretty instrumentals

[cantienne]

I'm fascinated by the Jack the Ripper case too - but less because of the individual murders or suspects and more because I'm fascinated by the light the case sheds on the lives of London's poor, the sensationalist press, the history of police work, and the like. One of the freakiest things I ever saw was the crime scene photo of Mary Jane Kelly in one of the Ripper books when I was a teenager; that night I couldn't keep the book in the same room with me, and I had to give it away ASAP.

[glitzee]

A female killer I only learned about recently is Anjette Lyles[/color]. She poisoned two husbands, a mother-in-law and her own 9-year-old daughter.

She was a well-liked figure in Macon (where I used to live) and even almost 50 years later, people still talk about her. I think what gives her story an added kick is that she was really into voodoo and spells.

[scarlet]

The Alice Crimmins case is interesting because the evidence was always so circumstantial and shaky, yet the investigators, and even the public, seemed to have a bias against her because she was deemed a with of loose morals, to put it kindly--and the lead detective didn't feel she reacted in the right way when told of her daughter's death; no, wait, she wasn't just told, he decided to test her by taking her to a field where the body had been discovered, all the while not telling her where they were going. So, basically, because she screwed around on her husband and didn't cry enough, she killed her kids.

[wilbert]

Please tell your dad to write that book. Plenty of us greecies would buy it.

[nitenurse]

Tiny Grimes: I didn't know about the song. But looking back on it was a bad time as well to release it. In 1982, the UK was a mess. Thatcher, H-Block, etc., enough sh*te on the plate without dealing about a rehash of the Moors Murders.

A good friend grew up outside Manchester during that time and still remembers his parents being a bit paranoid about knowing where he and his brothers were at all times.

It was a loss of innocence because people just didn't want to know that sexual crimes of that nature happened in their neck of the woods.

What about the Ruth Ellis case? Some say Hindley based her "look" on Ruth.

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Wow, BoroKat, that's an incredible story. I'm relieved that you and your family are okay after this kind of ordeal!

It's amazing how low-lives propagate themselves. I know we are not supposed to wish death and harm, but I really think the world would be so much better off without the presence of these sorts of people.