The Bachelor

[prada]

Wow! I am still "oh no he didn't" about Nick outing the sex last night. But I was thinking, if the situation were reversed and if Andi was a Bachelor instead of the B'ette and it has been a woman? People would be super sympathetic and calling for Andi's head. What she did was so, so wrong, especially since she knew Nick was so fragile. She led him on in a way that was cruel and if she did know it was Mr. Steroid since the start then even worse. Didn't she call Juan Pablo out about feeling used and basically say she fucked him in the FS? Then what she did was even worse since he never even pretended to care about her. Yuck!

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I have this on my DVR and wasn't in any hurry to watch it. Now it's at the top of my "to watch" list. So did we find out what Josh's source of income is? Does he have a job? Any career aspirations at all? This is what bothered me about him all along. He seemed like your typical has-been athlete who keeps living in the past and will end up being a complete loser by the time he's 40.

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Nick doesn't seem to understand how adult relationships work.

'I definitely wish I had that opportunity to have that conversation with her in private,' he said. 'I did not go into last night expecting to ask her that. I was just so caught off guard by her demeanor.

'I think last night was a lot of closure for me, just seeing her demeanor with me, I don't know where it came from,' he said.

That demeanor came from you not accepting or respecting her decision or her right to choose her own path in life dumbass!

I wonder if it would have been different if that night you thought about us with your heart and not with your head. Let’s just call it what it was--our relationship was very much the road less traveled. I totally get that all the passion, intensity, and connections that we had were accompanied by fear and sometimes discomfort. There is a reason why very few are willing to take the road less traveled. It can be scary, challenging, and risky, but if you have the courage to take it, it usually ends up being amazing.

Red Flag! Red Flag!!

[prada]

I am still sympathetic towards Nick just because Andi was so ice cold towards him during the ATFR. The way she dismissed their relationship was cruel and she could've at least been gracious enough to tell him that what they shared was special to her but what she had with Josh was just stronger. I put myself in Nick's shoes and I would have probably reacted the same way. How can someone who knows how hurt you were in your last relationship, who reassures you, who sleeps with you knowing what that would mean to you, be so cruel when you finally get the opportunity to talk it out? She should've done what Ali did and let him go BEFORE the LCD instead. And I'm sorry, but if she knew it was Josh, WHY sleep with Nick? I know that if I'm in love with someone I have 0 desire to sleep with someone else. Andi looked awful and good on people for calling her out.

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After seeing the letter that Nick had given her I can understand being cold towards him. You have to be firm with someone like that or they might keep pursuing you. Andi might have had sex with him simply because she felt like it in the moment. Or she may have thought of him as a player and underestimated the intensity of his feelings. Who knows? I don't see it as something to judge her for in the context of being the Bachelorette.

[prada]

I think the letter doesn't excuse her demeanor at all. She could've handled it better. Arie flew to Emily's house and left his show journal on her doorstep AND called her a bunch of times before Jef had to call him and tell him they were engaged. And as much as I don't like Emily, she was way more gracious to Arie. When she went to Nick's hometown his family told her repeatedly that they were concerned he would get his heart broken since he didn't take his engagement ending well. So to me, that doesn't sound like someone is a player. She reassured them and him about it. Andi was just awful. I can't with people that have no empathy.

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I took a quick look at the first part of Emily and Arie on ATFR, and I think there's a couple of different things going on there that make them hard to compare with Andi and Nick. For one thing, Arie always came off as a confident guy. He was also well liked by the rest of the cast and good friends with Jef. By the time he spoke to Emily on ATFR he seemed to have his head on straight and accepted her decision. So I don't think Emily felt the need to clarify the situation to him in the same way that Andi might have.

[prada]

Pretty much. I just think Andi's lack of emotion, saying that she basically never felt anything for him and her standoffishness is what has me siding with Nick. That was just beyond vile. She got her happy ending. Have some sort of human decency and be a bit sympathetic. Andi obviously doesn't take criticism well, we saw that with Eric. Nick is better off and good luck to Josh with that.

In other news, Arie confirmed via Twitter he is on the short list to be The Bachelor. If ABC gives it to Chris they would be craaaazy. Arie has a huge fanbase of nutcases so it should be a fun season. I am on the Marquel train but I know that will never happen.

[margojata]

But Andi didn't let Nick go to the big final proposal thing - she let him go early and seemed genuinely kind about not letting him go through the ring picking stage, or standing up there for the big rejection. It's not her job to protect his mental health anywhere beyond that.

If she wanted to sleep with him, well, that's her deal. She said they had passion, she just didn't feel a future (I personally don't think she wants a future with Josh either - just a tv career). I can't decide if Nick is super creepy for taking part-time dating with lots of other men and one good roll in the hay and turning it into an obsession, or if producers told him to put that out there for tv so we'd all talk about it. But sex happens on this show, and you have to be kind of dumb to not know that. I don't think Nick did himself any favors by acting like a used for sex - stalker. Plus there was something always off about the other men disliking him so much. Men like to fight when they're macho a-holes, but most of them end up acting like buddies.

I too wish abc would have the balls to give us a black bachelor instead of the farmer (talk about a roll in the real hay!). But Arie would make me happy too. Not that I think he'll settle down, but he was a cute guy without roid face. Bring him on!

[GoldenFleece]

Ashley and J.P. welcomed their boy today, Fordham Rhys.