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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 22:44:48 GMT -4
I've heard this from other some other musicians as well. Musicians don't generally trash each other like this, however. I think their strengths generally were more in songwriting than instrument playing, and I don’t think they’ve ever made any lists of the best guitar or bass players of all time. Ringo does have some respect as a drummer in some circles. He just didn’t like playing solos so it wasn’t terribly obvious. |
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Post by gremlin45 on Sept 6, 2019 7:15:46 GMT -4
George is my favourite. He seemed so lost in the early years. Also, his wife is a badass.I really like The Beatles' music. I think Lennon and McCartney were far better together than apart, but I prefer Paul's solo music to John's. |
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Post by ratscabies on Sept 6, 2019 13:34:28 GMT -4
I think their strengths generally were more in songwriting than instrument playing, and I don’t think they’ve ever made any lists of the best guitar or bass players of all time. Ringo does have some respect as a drummer in some circles. He just didn’t like playing solos so it wasn’t terribly obvious. Ringo is often overlooked as a drummer, and even in the world of drummers, oftentimes it is only the wisest of drummers that appreciate his talent. He wasn’t flashy, but was very much a key to their success. He was one of the first interviews in Modern Drummer magazine in the late sixties. They asked him how he rated himself as a drummer, and cheeky Beatle that he is, said, “ Probably the best rock drummer of all time.” This prompted a later interview with Lennon, wherein he was asked about Ringo’s comment. He replied, “Ppptttghght! He isn’t even the best drummer in the Beatles!” In an anniversary issue, Modern Drummer asked Ringo if he wanted to re-assess his prior statement on his status as a drummer. “Yeah. I’d leave out ‘probably’!” John was never regarded as a great guitarist, but then, rhythm guitar players never get any glory, and, while John was barely interested in anything not required by the song at hand, he did rather define the role of “rhythm guitar” in a band. George didn’t really come into his own until he started playing slide. He developed a very tasty and unique slide style (heard to best effect on My Sweet Lord, and Badfinger’s Day After Day). And again, in service to the song, rather than self aggrandizing, he always played a perfect part. The solo in a Hard Days Night is too simple? Go ahead and top it. We’ll wait.... And, while I can’t point to any specific lists (though if I recall, the old Playboy music polls mentioned him a few times), Paul has always been a very inventive bassist. Even the stupid simple parts in early songs. From Revolver on, when he started overdubbing his parts after everything else was done, he did some amazing stuff. Dear Prudence tops my list (as a bass player, not as MissP’s dad!), but, A Little Help From My Friends is a masterclass in melodic bass playing. In the tour program from the 1989 Flowers in the Dirt tour, each musician is asked who their favorite player is on their respective instruments. The band all list people you would expect, but here comes that Beatles cheek again! Asked his favorite bass player, and Sir Paul says, “Paul McCartney! I know I shouldn’t, but, everyone ELSE does, so I will too!” (I am in a hotel in Rockport, MA, so I can’t promise that’s a direct quote, but it IS what he said.) |
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Post by Mutagen on Sept 6, 2019 13:55:35 GMT -4
George didn’t really come into his own until he started playing slide. He developed a very tasty and unique slide style (heard to best effect on My Sweet Lord, and Badfinger’s Day After Day). And again, in service to the song, rather than self aggrandizing, he always played a perfect part. The solo in a Hard Days Night is too simple? Go ahead and top it. We’ll wait.... Although the lyrical content of the song is, uhhhh, questionable, I think the guitar solo on "Run For Your Life" is one of my all time favorites. Simple but SO expressive. |
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Post by chonies on Sept 6, 2019 14:39:12 GMT -4
I think I had heard the Beatles so exhaustively* by the time I was into music on my own, it seemed old and stale. I appreciate them most when I think about them, and what it must have been like to hear their stuff for the first time, or what it was like to be a fan, or to all this sort of thing be a frontier or something like it.
*Except I had only heard a lot of the FM radio play. One of my record store coworkers put on Rubber Soul when he was having a bad day, which was often. That changed my perspective quite a bit.
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Post by mrspickles on Sept 6, 2019 14:53:59 GMT -4
I think their strengths generally were more in songwriting than instrument playing, and I don’t think they’ve ever made any lists of the best guitar or bass players of all time. Ringo does have some respect as a drummer in some circles. He just didn’t like playing solos so it wasn’t terribly obvious.
George didn’t really come into his own until he started playing slide. He developed a very tasty and unique slide style (heard to best effect on My Sweet Lord, and Badfinger’s Day After Day). And again, in service to the song, rather than self aggrandizing, he always played a perfect part. The solo in a Hard Days Night is too simple? Go ahead and top it. We’ll wait.... Is this at least part of the reason that Badfinger always has a very Beatles feeling for me? There are a few bands that I always think sound very much like another. The Zombies "Time of the Season" sounds very Mamas and Papas, Badfinger (at least the two songs that get all the radio play) are very Beatle-esque. For anyone who remembers there was a little 1980's one called I Don't Mind At All by Bourgois Tagg that really sounded Early Beatles-ish to me also. I always figured it had to do with producers and such. Or me being stupid. Side note, but your breakdown is reminding me of a very interesting YouTuber I stumbled on recently. He seems to be an English heavy metal/ rock guitarist but he does videos where he breaks down performances to explain the technical aspects and he is adorably geeky about Roy Clark. He was so tickled with a Roy Clark/ Glen Campbell performance of Ghost Riders in the Sky. I love it when someone who understands is able to explain to me why something is so good. |
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Post by believeland on Sept 6, 2019 14:56:59 GMT -4
Considering I'm an 80's baby, The Beatles have always been a part of my life. I also grew up in a weird time where Ringo was the drummer in that band my mom really liked and he was the conductor on Thomas the Tank Engine. Their music and images are just woven into my life.
My three year old has fallen hard for the music. He has been picking up and strumming a ukulele since he was a year old and his favorite to play is "Honey Pie." I also get a kick out of him singing "I Want to Hold Your Hand" when he reaches for me. And it's a hilarious to hear his little toddler voice request Sgt. Pepper by screeching out "Billy Shears" from the backseat of the car.
It just amazes me how this band has tugged on my kid's heart, the same way it did for my mom when the songs were first released. Shortly after my mom's 64th birthday my son started asking to hear "When I'm Sixty-Four" all.the.time. My mom was 13 when that song came out and I just find it remarkable that all these years later her grandson sings it to her.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 15:08:02 GMT -4
believeland your little three old sounds freaking adorable and talented too. Funny the teenager me was a Stones Girl and while still love them too I’m listening more to The Beatles now. My in order of love them is George, Paul, John and Ringo
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Post by ratscabies on Sept 6, 2019 18:01:42 GMT -4
Mrspickles, Badfinger DOES sound alot like the Beatles.
The two songs in question (I assume you mean Day After Day and Come and Get It) benefit from actual Beatle input: George played the slide guitar on Day After Day, and was the producer of that album, though I recently saw an interview with Todd Rundgren where he talked about being called in to finish that album, because George lost interest and stopped showing up.
Come and Get It was written by Paul, and there is a demo of Paul doing it all himself that is nearly impossible to discern from the Badfinger version. Reportedly, Paul gave them the demo and said, “Do it just like this. Don’t change anything. You will have a hit.”
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Post by ladyboy on Sept 6, 2019 18:18:27 GMT -4
I always thought Come and Get It was a Beatles song! I couldn't really figure out why I never knew what album it was on... Is there a version on the Anthology album of Paul singing it, or does it just sound like him on usual one on the radio?
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