Avril Lavigne

[vegasusa555]

It's so fucking tedious when people go on about the wannabe punk thing. I found it very odd how all these thirty something punk fetishists got so much pleasure from ragging on a seventeen year old girl back in 2002. I mean really, who fucking cares. Punk hasn't been a relevant movement for oh, thirty years. The whole nature and point of punk was that it was short term. That whole dick measuring 'more punk than you' attitude seriously rubbed me up the wrong way. Not that Avril wasn't/isn't annoying and obnoxious, but ugh- seriously, if Avril wanted to think she was a punk, let her think it, it's just not important.

For me, it wasn't so much her declaring her punkness right off the bat, I just started thinking she was full of shit when she was criticizing the pop singers for how they were dressing and dying their hair platinum blond, and then she turned around pretty much became their clone. There's nothing wrong with changing your look as you get older, but after all that shit talking she did,in the end, she came off looking like the hypocritical dumb ass, not Brit and Christina.

*whisper* as much as I hate her, I really like her song "My Happy Ending". Lavigne, you are such a bitch, but dammit if you don't write catchy songs!!!"

[Hamatron]

I think it's sort of funny that Avril seems to have a sort of unusual older male fanbase (at least, in my world she does). For example, my Dad (a hardcore music person)-- who doesn't listen to pop at all, bought her first CD and loved it. Plus, I work at a paper and a couple of our older music critics who normally wouldn't gravitate towards pop-py music totally dig her. The conclusion I have come up with? Her PR persona somehow allows older men who are not pervy to participate in the bubble-gum girl pop that was big until more recently without feeling like some sort of pedo-Britney perve.

That said, as long as I don't hear about her interviews or see her on TV, I'm ok with hearing her stuff on the radio every once in awhile.

Edited to add-- not that this is shocking or anything, but you know how she 'wrote' most of the stuff on her first album? It's sort of just known to people who mill around the professional musician world that this is completely not true. Or, at least that is what I have heard....

[Julie]

My problem with Advil Lavagina wasn't that she claimed to be soo0o0o0o0o PUNK RAWK!!!!lol!!!11 it was that she did that while doing things like posing in Maxim. Like, shut up. You either use your body to sell records or you don't. Don't stand there and tell me you're the anti-Britney while the Photoshop guy is fixing your ass pimples for your quasi-porn layout.

I really don't think "My Happy Ending" is that great of a song--there is much better stuff out there, even on the radio. She needs to get married, pop out a few PUNK RAWK babies, and fade into obscurity.

[realitybug]

I don't have that big of a problem with her. Well, not to hold some mad hate for her, like some of you guys. I think she's annoying and find her music very mediocre. But I think alot of people really do come down on her way too hard for something that she did. I never heard her proclaim she was hardcore punk rock. I've seen a piece where she addressed people's hate for her and she said "I never claimed I was punk rock or hardcore."

She is who she is. I wish her the best, and hope her marriage lasts. It probably won't because she's far too young, but you know know, I guess.

[Deleted]

I liked when she pronounced Bowie the way it looks. That was pretty ripe.

[loulou]

vegasusa555 said:

There's nothing wrong with changing your look as you get older, but after all that shit talking she did,in the end, she came off looking like the hypocritical dumb ass, not Brit and Christina.

I saw some TV special about her a while ago and she went shopping for underwear or something and joked about how she had changed and become more girly.

The punk comment was something that the haters (and hey there's nothing wrong with being a hater ) could use against her, I guess nobody knows anymore what the real quote was, but I understood it more as "I'm a punk" (=obnoxious brat) than the music genre.

And a punk she still is, but I love her music, no matter who wrote it.