ahah
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Post by ahah on Oct 20, 2023 11:16:07 GMT -4
And the revisionist history begins! So, we're just gonna forget that she dumped Federline by text? That the whole world saw it because he was filming a reality showAnd that's not even getting into why she was "separated from her kids" smh I'm in total agreement that she's revising history and using challenges in her life to justify her bad behavior. That said, when it comes to K Fed, in her perceptions couldn't both things be true - that she felt he abandoned her AND that she filed for divorce? Couldn't the divorce filing be in response to feeling abandoned? |
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Post by Mouse on Oct 20, 2023 11:28:47 GMT -4
And the revisionist history begins! So, we're just gonna forget that she dumped Federline by text? That the whole world saw it because he was filming a reality showAnd that's not even getting into why she was "separated from her kids" smh She was courting the attention of the paparazzi during her meltdown. She DATED one of them. This was common knowledge in 2008. She was told by a judge to do certain things if she wanted to maintain custody--attend parenting classes, go to counseling, get drug testing, heck even sign the required paperwork. She never did it. |
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Post by horseface on Oct 20, 2023 11:59:23 GMT -4
I must admit I have always been completely neutral about her music. I DO remember seeing a video of her singing agressively at a paparazzi, and I recall that found her behaviour very odd. This read was quite some time before her public struggles. I did read a bit of the book excerpts, and at one point she mentioned she mentioned she felt "infantilized." My first thought when I read this was what (admittedly little) I have seen of her, her behaviour reminds me of an adolescent trying to prove how "grown up" they are by making a big show of drinking, smoking, and being hyper sexual.
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Post by Ginger on Oct 20, 2023 12:11:24 GMT -4
Her parents and the record label would never have allowed her to keep it and I want people to start pouring vitriol their way. Sorry, we should pour vitriol their way for things they hypothetically would have done but did not actually do? Is this the state of pop culture discussion these days? I assumed that her parents/handlers also had an influence on her decision, but the excerpt released today says she had an early abortion without telling her family. |
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SApril
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Post by SApril on Oct 20, 2023 12:20:53 GMT -4
Sorry, we should pour vitriol their way for things they hypothetically would have done but did not actually do? Is this the state of pop culture discussion these days? I assumed that her parents/handlers also had an influence on her decision, but the excerpt released today says she had an early abortion without telling her family. Her story about how it went down is odd. They didn't tell their families. Fine. But she says they didn't want doctors or hospitals involved. Then how did she get the meds? |
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ahah
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Post by ahah on Oct 20, 2023 13:27:37 GMT -4
Sorry, we should pour vitriol their way for things they hypothetically would have done but did not actually do? Is this the state of pop culture discussion these days? I assumed that her parents/handlers also had an influence on her decision, but the excerpt released today says she had an early abortion without telling her family. I wonder if the presence of her family early in her career was more image building than reality - sort of like making her virginity a point of publicity? I can remember in her early days if her mom was home looking after Jamie Lynn, they had family friend who travelled with Britney (Felicia?). In clips I saw with her, the woman always seemed more like a hanger on than a mentor. Perhaps they created an image of strict parents looking out for her to build the all American girl image, but in truth she was allowed as a teenager to grow up way too fast and have too much freedom without the guidance she needed. |
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Post by Ginger on Oct 20, 2023 15:00:36 GMT -4
I assumed that her parents/handlers also had an influence on her decision, but the excerpt released today says she had an early abortion without telling her family. Her story about how it went down is odd. They didn't tell their families. Fine. But she says they didn't want doctors or hospitals involved. Then how did she get the meds? My interpretation of the story is that she just didn't want to have a procedure done in a medical facility by a doctor, she wanted to take the pills and do it at home, which is an option. I didn't get the sense that it was done without any medical consult/prescription entirely, but who knows. I bet you Britney's ghostwriter was hella confused about the details of most of the stories Britney told him. |
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Post by laurenj on Oct 20, 2023 15:41:41 GMT -4
Her story about how it went down is odd. They didn't tell their families. Fine. But she says they didn't want doctors or hospitals involved. Then how did she get the meds? My interpretation of the story is that she just didn't want to have a procedure done in a medical facility by a doctor, she wanted to take the pills and do it at home, which is an option. I didn't get the sense that it was done without any medical consult/prescription entirely, but who knows. I bet you Britney's ghostwriter was hella confused about the details of most of the stories Britney told him. With how incredibly famous she was, there was probably some level of not wanting to involve any other people because word could easily get out (which it shouldn't, but many a story about a celebrity's hospital stay have been leaked by shitty hospital personnel). As for her family and the record label, while it's true that they didn't have a chance to say no if Britney didn't tell them, I just cannot envision a scenario where they would leave that decision in her hands at that stage of her career. She was on a rocket ship to the moon, riding the image of virginity in life crossed with sexuality on stage, dating one of the other people on that same rocket ship and on every magazine cover week after week after week. I just can't fathom any of them saying "well, if you want to keep it, that's an option." Having a baby doesn't end with the pregnancy, so the whole machine around her would have been forever altered. And frankly, even though it was only 20 years ago, I can now look back and see that the late 90s/early 00s were a pretty gross time, a lot of the behavior from that time is now rightfully being recognized as the misogynist shit that it was. And that part, she can be rightfully bitter about and I can understand why JL being able to keep her baby in that same unwed mother scenario would also be a sticking point. JL had a career and it was a minor scandal at the time, but nowhere near Britney's level. And layering in her mental health issues and lack of perspective, I'm sure she's rewritten certain histories and imagines she was robbed of a certain life that most likely wasn't going to work out the way she thinks it would have. My overarching curiosity about Britney is to wonder, did she ever enjoy it? Like, the hindsight on it is showing all of the negatives of being SO famous and not having a normal childhood/young adulthood. But I wonder, in those days of being the golden girl on top of the world, was it ever fun? Huge celebrity has always been seen as the brass ring, but it seems to have yielded almost nothing but downside for her. |
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Post by Ginger on Oct 20, 2023 16:14:45 GMT -4
With how incredibly famous she was, there was probably some level of not wanting to involve any other people because word could easily get out (which it shouldn't, but many a story about a celebrity's hospital stay have been leaked by shitty hospital personnel). When Britney was at UCLA Medical Center on a 5150 hold back in 2007, TMZ was tipped off and on the scene to take photos of her handcuffed to the gurney, and a UCLA employee was fired for illegally accessing her medical records looking for information. So yes, Britney was not being paranoid to fear her medical privacy being violated. |
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Post by featherhat on Oct 20, 2023 16:32:57 GMT -4
I can understand why JL being able to keep her baby in that same unwed mother scenario would also be a sticking point. JL had a career and it was a minor scandal at the time, but nowhere near Britney's level. And layering in her mental health issues and lack of perspective, I'm sure she's rewritten certain histories and imagines she was robbed of a certain life that most likely wasn't going to work out the way she thinks it would have. My overarching curiosity about Britney is to wonder, did she ever enjoy it? Like, the hindsight on it is showing all of the negatives of being SO famous and not having a normal childhood/young adulthood. But I wonder, in those days of being the golden girl on top of the world, was it ever fun? Huge celebrity has always been seen as the brass ring, but it seems to have yielded almost nothing but downside for her. I remember reading an interview when I was a kid and "Lucky" came out. Britney emphatically stated that it wasn't a song about her and basically that it was just given to her by her label (although probably not in so many words) and that she loved being famous and felt very blessed. Obviously this was a teen magazine and there was so much more going on BTS but I've never felt Britney hated being famous. She could have retired to anywhere in the world now and lived off her Vegas renewed fortune, but she hasn't. Plenty of famous people live quiet lives away from LA and rarely post on SM when they aren't promoting something. Britney posts "look at me" everyday. Clearly it hasn't been good for her and clearly vastly made worse any potential or already existing mental heath problems to put it mildly J-L was a minor scandal compared to what Britney's would have been but it was still a pretty huge deal at the time IIRC. She's almost certainly not the only Nick/Disney star to get pregnant as a teen but she's the only one in recent memory who decided to keep it and essentially retired for a decade. She has stated that she was under enormous pressure but she stuck to her guns. I do feel for Britney in that she now regrets her decision but even if she had married Justin and had a kid at 20 I think it just means her mental health would have deteriorated sooner. And if she had truly wanted to keep it *at the time* then she had more resources than almost any other teen mother on the planet. Yes if they had known I'm sure her family and label would have put enormous pressure on her but no one can actually force you to have an abortion. And yes I know it's easy to sit here and write this and much less easy to have to deal with world wide shaming. I think that sadly this part of her life doesn't necessarily have a happy ending whatever she had decided to do. JT is a huge asshole but it I can't fault him for being 19 and honestly stating he's not ready to be a father. And even when abortion is clearly the better option for whatever reason and a person *knows* that even years later and doesn't regret it, it doesn't mean that it's not fraught with emotion at the time. RE Kevin, I remember the clip of him receiving the divorce text and I think he was genuinely shocked. It's possible Britney feels he abandoned her for his tour/reality show instead of sitting on the sofa watching TV together (per Britney and Kevin: Chaotic) but I remember there being a big proto social media push for Britney to dump that "insert all the adjectives here" Kevin and there was much rejoicing when she did. Break ups are rarely simple though. When he initially threatened to get custody, no one thought it likely that he would, but here we are with Kevin Federline "seemingly decent Dad and one of the least worst people in this sorry saga as proved over 15 years." [/quote] |
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