hellsbells
Landed Gentry
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Jun 9, 2007 10:03:44 GMT -4
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Post by hellsbells on Dec 2, 2022 13:28:59 GMT -4
It's all yikes.
The answer isn't to fire Hussey though. It's to actually bring in people who can talk to the royal family and the people who work closely with them about issues of inclusion.
Not accepting her answer was absolutely "othering" her. I've lived in places where I have been in the minority and the majority. People make insensitive comments all the time. This woman is telling why she found the push to find out her heritage rude. Hussey and the royal family actually have a great opportunity here. They have the opportunity to listen, learn and do better. They represent plenty of Afro-Carribbean Brits. If those Brits were born and raised in Hackney and want to say they're from Hackney without further going into detail about where their parents, grandparents, great grandparents were from, then that's okay. Remember, also, in the diaspora of African immigrants around the world, a lot of their origins are nebulous because of slavery. (A slave trade the Brits ran and the Royal Family made their fortune on.) So that answer could actually have been really fucking uncomfortable for Lady Hussey.
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Post by petitesuite on Dec 2, 2022 16:23:06 GMT -4
…. the fact that this poor 83 year old lady (who was tacitly acknowledging there are many different rich and distinct cultures in Africa) …. Please never stop talking. I need another 500 words in support of this point, just to see what you will do with them. I still haven’t given up hope that your entire account is an extended piece of performance art and this is really fueling me. |
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Post by Mouse on Dec 2, 2022 16:45:51 GMT -4
Lady Hussey also brushed aside the woman's locs at one point.
She touched the hair. White people ALWAYS do this.
It is RUDE to touch a black person's hair.
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Ridha
Lady in Waiting
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Jun 22, 2021 13:36:50 GMT -4
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Post by Ridha on Dec 2, 2022 20:13:44 GMT -4
…. the fact that this poor 83 year old lady (who was tacitly acknowledging there are many different rich and distinct cultures in Africa) …. Please never stop talking. I need another 500 words in support of this point, just to see what you will do with them. I still haven’t given up hope that your entire account is an extended piece of performance art and this is really fueling me. Ok thank you for the very personal snark to me rather than simply sticking to discussing the topic as I did. Very classy and not at all bitchy of you. Why not just give your opposing points rather than that mean girl sarcasm? Just as an FYI, while I might as usual be in the minority on this forum, that is not the case in reaction generally out there. Are all those views performance art too? Is anything apart from your views, for which you clearly want an echo chamber, performance art? |
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chrissykr
Footman
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Mar 29, 2022 14:26:00 GMT -4
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Post by chrissykr on Dec 2, 2022 20:39:07 GMT -4
I don't know. I am wondering how true all of this is. It is out there that she had a recorder and was trying to get something on Cam. This woman has been all over the news saying she hasn't heard from the Palace, and they refute that. They said they had tried to contact her through multiple channels. She also has put out some questionable tweets about the RF and is friends with M’s photographer buddy. Also, she has said she stood on the sidelines until she could leave and there is a video of her engaging with multiple people, including Cam, at the event.
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Post by lizziebeth730 on Dec 3, 2022 6:51:34 GMT -4
It’s eye-rolley that this question “where are you from” is considered racism. As a mixed race ‘person of colour’ or whatever the newest PC term that I’m allowed to describe my own self is, I’ve been asked this question many times, and I have never taken offence nor has offence been meant. It’s quite clearly a question that indicates interest in the person’s heritage and that’s the opposite of racism. Ones nationality does not negate ethnicity. The complainant was there representing an Afro Caribbean charity, and the fact that this poor 83 year old lady (who was tacitly acknowledging there are many different rich and distinct cultures in Africa) is being thrown under the bus is the actual disgrace here. It's the implication of the question and the repeated questioning. Look, I live just outside of a big city, so there's a lot of transplants. I don't have the very specific accent of the big city of which I live so I often get asked, and I'll say "I grew up in Albany, but I've been out in the area since 1998, and I've lived in town X since 2016" But I also look very specifically of a certain ethnicity, and sometimes I'll get asked "Are you Irish" and like I have red hair, freckles, and a biting sense of gallows humor and a love of potatoes, so yea, but sometimes the tone is really rude and I'll snap back wiht "Nah I'm Korean" Parts of my family have been here since friggin Jamestown, and others came over between the two World Wars.. either way.. it doesn't matter, I was born here, I have no real ties to any of my "motherlands" I'm as American as apple pie and baseball games, and I'm both a NY-er and a Masshole through and through. I'm proud of my heritage and the struggles of family.. I mean my great grandfather jumped ship in NY harbor as a stowaway from Ireland to follow the woman he loved (who was in some shit with the law for helping Sinn Fein). They lived in poverty, she scrubbed floors for rich people, he was day laborer, they were barely literate. Now 3 generations later, there are masters degrees, and houses worth over a million dollars, and college is not an "option" it is an obligation. Still scrubbing floors for rich people though... but its my floors and the rich people are my family and my children's inability to not spill stuff.. There's a way to ask the question she was asking... "Oh hello, I can't see your name, do you mind moving your hair a bit, or I can assist?* And where are you from? Oh Hackney, I've never been there, tell me about it. Did you grow up there? And you're here representing what charity? Oh Tell me about it, and why is it important to you and what work do you do" *I don't know if she had like tea and crumpets in her hand.. I don't know what goes on at these things, I'd be stuffing my face with palace food. I'm a social worker with the state. They aren't allowed to buy us food. |
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Post by Oxynia on Dec 3, 2022 7:44:31 GMT -4
Aiming snark at fellow posters and responding in kind is not allowed on our forum. Please put an end to that now. Thank you.
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Post by prisma on Dec 3, 2022 14:52:31 GMT -4
On this week's podcast, Tom and Lorenzo pointed out that if this could likely have been prevented if the BRF had some diversity on their staff*. Apparently it's all white, which makes for a really thick coating on that bubble they live in.
* Meaning staff at the level of the ladies-in-waiting or whatever they're called now. I'm sure other races are well represented in positions that handle the traditional grunt work.
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Post by Ladybug on Dec 3, 2022 16:54:38 GMT -4
As I understand it, ladies-in-waiting aren’t paid staff. They are fellow aristocratic women, the daughters and wives of peers. Lady Susan had been a lady-in-waiting to Queen Elizabeth since 1960.
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Post by canuckcutie on Dec 3, 2022 16:57:59 GMT -4
I’m loving reading the reports that QEII refused to allow a photographer to capture pics of her with the Sussex kids. According to one report I read, the Queen stated that she couldn’t possibly have her picture taken because her eyes were bloodshot 🤣 The Queen was no fool. I have no doubt any pictures would have featured prominently in the Netflix series and it was a blow to Harry & Meghan when they got denied.
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