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Post by Ginger on Nov 30, 2022 19:59:07 GMT -4
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chrissykr
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Post by chrissykr on Nov 30, 2022 20:27:45 GMT -4
She and the witness to all of this are also asking for donations. |
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Post by tiggertoo on Dec 1, 2022 1:26:56 GMT -4
Yes, these were tweets she has made previously. I don’t know how the guest list was put together, but surely they could have not invited this particular person given her stated antipathy towards the RF. Now she claims she didn’t want to single out this lady (Hussey). Meanwhile, she tweeted about her and used her initials. It was perfectly clear who she was talking about. What a mess! |
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hellsbells
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Post by hellsbells on Dec 1, 2022 7:21:54 GMT -4
It's only a mess bc Lady Hussey hasn't been trained properly in how to have conversations with people with different skin color than her.
This and the video of Camilla lifting a child's arm up by her sleeve instead of touching her skin (even if it's shortened to a short clip making it look worse than the whole of the interaction) aren't proving that there is not racism in the royal family.
They need to do some self reflection and perhaps have a consultant come in to train them how to deal with people who aren't rich white people.
Even if this woman "had an agenda," the conversation proved her "agenda" right. Ngozi Fulani was invited bc she runs a non-profit and was being celebrated for her work. There is plenty of conversation fodder in that, and being from Hackney should be fully accepted as an answer. There are black people in the UK, and there have been black people in the UK for a very long time.
As to why she and the witness in this are asking for donations... They run a charity! Of course they're asking for donations.
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Ridha
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Jun 22, 2021 13:36:50 GMT -4
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Post by Ridha on Dec 2, 2022 6:27:25 GMT -4
It’s eye-rolley that this question “where are you from” is considered racism. As a mixed race ‘person of colour’ or whatever the newest PC term that I’m allowed to describe my own self is, I’ve been asked this question many times, and I have never taken offence nor has offence been meant. It’s quite clearly a question that indicates interest in the person’s heritage and that’s the opposite of racism. Ones nationality does not negate ethnicity. The complainant was there representing an Afro Caribbean charity, and the fact that this poor 83 year old lady (who was tacitly acknowledging there are many different rich and distinct cultures in Africa) is being thrown under the bus is the actual disgrace here.
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hellsbells
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Post by hellsbells on Dec 2, 2022 6:35:17 GMT -4
It’s eye-rolley that this question “where are you from” is considered racism. As a mixed race ‘person of colour’ or whatever the newest PC term that I’m allowed to describe my own self is, I’ve been asked this question many times, and I have never taken offence nor has offence been meant. It’s quite clearly a question that indicates interest in the person’s heritage and that’s the opposite of racism. Ones nationality does not negate ethnicity. The complainant was there representing an Afro Caribbean charity, and the fact that this poor 83 year old lady (who was tacitly acknowledging there are many different rich and distinct cultures in Africa) is being thrown under the bus is the actual disgrace here. She answered the question "Hackney" and the woman didn't accept that answer. "No where are you really from?" So, that's obtuse and rude. |
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Ridha
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Post by Ridha on Dec 2, 2022 8:57:47 GMT -4
It’s eye-rolley that this question “where are you from” is considered racism. As a mixed race ‘person of colour’ or whatever the newest PC term that I’m allowed to describe my own self is, I’ve been asked this question many times, and I have never taken offence nor has offence been meant. It’s quite clearly a question that indicates interest in the person’s heritage and that’s the opposite of racism. Ones nationality does not negate ethnicity. The complainant was there representing an Afro Caribbean charity, and the fact that this poor 83 year old lady (who was tacitly acknowledging there are many different rich and distinct cultures in Africa) is being thrown under the bus is the actual disgrace here. She answered the question "Hackney" and the woman didn't accept that answer. "No where are you really from?" So, that's obtuse and rude. Hackney is not her heritage. That was the answer that was obtuse (deliberately so at that, and even if one wants to argue that the questioner was being obtuse it still was clearly not deliberately so). When I go out in London dressed in a shalwar kameez and in conversation someone asks me where I’m from, I will obviously know they’re asking originally, not where I’m living. Yes I can technically answer “Ealing” and it wouldn’t be incorrect, but that would be the assish and obtuse reply, not their query. |
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Post by americanchai on Dec 2, 2022 9:14:27 GMT -4
It's not in the words, it's in the attitude. I'm Chinese-American so of course when people ask politely, I might say I'm Chinese but third-generation. If people are not asking politely, I'll say I'm from D.C., particularly as I currently live somewhere that I'm not "from". "Where are you from?" would be more politely asked as "What are your family origins/heritage?" But again, white people, or people who look white, don't get this question unless they have a different accent.
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cancan
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Post by cancan on Dec 2, 2022 9:24:05 GMT -4
It's not in the words, it's in the attitude. I'm Chinese-American so of course when people ask politely, I might say I'm Chinese but third-generation. If people are not asking politely, I'll say I'm from D.C., particularly as I currently live somewhere that I'm not "from". "Where are you from?" would be more politely asked as "What are your family origins/heritage?" But again, white people, or people who look white, don't get this question unless they have a different accent. The only time I have ever been impolitely asked that question (and I've traveled to about 30 countries on five continents) was while shoe shopping in London. When I paid with what was clearly a US credit card (logo of my favorite sports team) the sales associate said, "Are you American?" When I said yes he said "I would never have guessed. You're so polite!" Uh ... thanks? |
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boxofrocks
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Post by boxofrocks on Dec 2, 2022 13:10:28 GMT -4
Agreed that the issue is that Lady Susan Hussey did not accept Ngozi Fulani's initial answer and kept pressing about where Fulani was "really" from without clarifying that she was asking about ethnicity. Having said that, I also think it is rude to continuously ask, "Is your ethnicity X? How about Y? How about Z?" while listing nations as if the asker were an atlas. I've been on the receiving end of both and it's offensive.
If we're giving Hussey the benefit of the doubt, the first inquiry of "Where are you from?" could be applied to anyone regardless of race. That Hussey kept pressing is an indication that she does not fully recognize that POCs can be British.
Additionally, Fulani stated that Hussey moved Fulani's hair so that Hussey could read Fulani's name tag without her consent. That is yet another dimension of yikes.
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