Sharp Objects

[magazinewhore]

Again, I haven't read the book. But, Adora didn't kill the girls (the two bodies in Wind Gap), right? (I don't really want an answer, just asking.)

So she suffers from Munchhausen-by-Proxy. How do we know Alan knows about that? This last episode was pretty heavy and didn't lack subtlety. I wish more of this had been doled out in the previous episodes.

Why would an adult woman stay with her mother if they have that kind of dynamic? That was the hardest thing for me to accept.

[kostgard]

Aug 20, 2018 13:13:49 GMT -4 magazinewhore said:

Again, I haven't read the book. But, Adora didn't kill the girls (the two bodies in Wind Gap), right? (I don't really want an answer, just asking.)

So she suffers from Munchhausen-by-Proxy. How do we know Alan knows about that? This last episode was pretty heavy and didn't lack subtlety. I wish more of this had been doled out in the previous episodes.

Why would an adult woman stay with her mother if they have that kind of dynamic? That was the hardest thing for me to accept.

I think Alan knows (maybe not necessarily the term "Munchhausen-by-proxy" but he knows the actions) because Adora was pretty openly mixing up her concoction in the kitchen and just told Alan, "Hey, don't worry about it. Go listen to some music" (which is clearly what he does when he can't deal with reality) and at the end when Adora goes upstairs to poison Amma some more, he has all these flashes of dancing around and having a good time with Amma. He knows what she's up to and that she's upstairs slowly killing his little girl, but (for whatever reason) he does nothing about it.

But looking back, Adora's condition answers so many questions to me. Why does she tolerate Amma running around town at night getting drunk/high? Because she can play nursemaid the next morning. Amma is young and could probably bounce back from a hangover in a day, but Adora is clearly giving her something to prolong her condition so she can continue to play nursemaid and make her condition seem worse than it is (otherwise it is just "Hey, she got smashed last night. Give her an Advil and plenty of water and let her sleep it off") so she can be that much braver for caring for her.

And I think this explains what Adora meant when she said told Camille that Camille didn't fix her. It seems that Camille wasn't a very good patient (her reaction to Adora's efforts to nurse her were probably the same as when she was a child, or it was like when Amma first pushed back, the difference being Amma eventually relented and got in bed to play her role while young Camille probably didn't). Jackie told Camille that Camille made it difficult, while Marian laid back and took it. She played the role Adora wanted her to play, and Adora eventually killed her. In Adora's twisted mind, she needs to be that hero nursemaid and young Camille refused to play that game (so Adora punished her for it).

As for why Camille would stay with her mother when things are the way they are and she apparently was still paying for that motel room, I have no idea. I don't know what she's looking for there and seems miserable the whole time. I mean, if she tried to confront her mother or maybe use the time to try to reconnect to her family, it would make sense. But none of those things are happening.

[Deleted]

IIRC, in the book, her boss wouldn't pay for her to stay in a motel. And I guess she couldn't afford it in her own, so that's why she stayed at the family home.

[CyberCathy]

I got the impression from the book that she stayed in the motel the first night in town, and then picked up a room with John; not that she was renting it all that time. That wasn’t stated in the episode. Did I miss a line about her having it the whole time?

[Babycakes]

All I know is that I'm really disappointed in the end game of this series. The last episode is going to be an absolute mess. I guess they're completely chopping off the last chapter of the book. All things with Wind Gap will be wrapped up tidy. I cannot see how they can squeeze in everything in 45-50 minutes. For book readers--

SPOILER: Click to show

Episode 7 should have been the episode where Adora is arrested as the killer. Episode 8 should have been the false resolution with Amma and Camille back in St. Louis, and the reveal of the dollhouse, and the third body. I guess they aren't leaving Wind Gap, and there won't be a 3rd death. It seems like episode 8 will take place mostly at the house. Camille sacrifices herself to Adora, Vickery and Willis finally figure it out somehow. And Amma? I have no clue how they'll resolve that. Or get her friends/accomplices. Will we see her final act of mutilation (they never addressed her one unmarked patch) and the Curry's coming in to save her?

[Martini Girl]

Babycakes- Or they try to do all of it, and miss by a mile. The series pacing has been abominable.

[petitesuite]

The last episode will almost certainly be two hours, I would think. I do agree that the pacing has been REALLY off, but I think they will get everything in.

[kostgard]

Someone remind me - did Ashley ever hang out with Amma and her crew?

I'm wondering because she's got a bite mark out of her ear. Natalie's blood was under John's bed, but I don't think John has anything to do with the murders. I'm wondering is this group of girls were going around biting each other (and that's the significance of the teeth being removed). I think Ashley wasn't trying to protect John because she knows he's guilty. I think she knows how Natalie's blood got under his bed (which - isn't that at Ashley's guest house and not John's home?) and tried to clean it up so John wouldn't look guilty and to hide that she knew that Natalie and other girls were getting violent with each other.

It's all starting to feel like Mean Girl-ism taken to the extreme, which is why I suspect Amma. Though, with Adora biting baby Amma in the flashback in this last episode, maybe she's part of the biting crew.

[deeconsistent]

Hundreded about the series' weird pacing. There were episodes that contained, like, 6 minutes of story.

I finished episode 6 and 7 last night. I have a ton of feedback, but it's all over the place. I guess my two most coherent points of interest are:

1)I'm trying to remember if there were any indications that Camille and Amma (and Marian) dealt with recurring poisoning in previous episodes. Not necessarily a big reveal, but what were the minor references?

2)Anyone else feel that the show is VERY strongly suggesting that Camille is Amma's mother?

[kostgard]

Aug 22, 2018 14:41:21 GMT -4 deeconsistent said:

2)Anyone else feel that the show is VERY strongly suggesting that Camille is Amma's mother?

I feel like that is something they are putting out there, but I think there is more evidence that maybe Alan isn't Amma's father.

Some people noticed a paternity test in Amma's medical files. The guardian listed on the form is Adora, so maybe she wasn't sure? This may also explain why Alan was so pissy when he saw that Adora had been talking to Vickery (maybe they had an affair and he knows it) and may explain why when Vickery was at the house talking to Adora and then Amma walked in, he immediately made himself scarce and zipped out the door. Maybe too awkward for him to be in the same room as Adora and his illegitimate child?

She could still be Camille's, and Adora was trying to find out who the baby's father was, but I feel like if Camille is her mother, we should be getting more hints from Camille's behavior by now. Like, just a moment where she gazes at Amma in a way that's hard to tell if it is sisterly or motherly affection. You can also see in the pic from the medical records, the paternity test was done when Amma was 9. If Adora wants to know who is responsible for knocking up Camille, would she really wait until Amma is 9 years old before doing that? Or if it were her own child, would she delay thinking about that or acknowledging that her husband might not be the father?

The timing makes it seem like it could be either. She could have been born after whatever happened to Camille in the "end zone" or she could have been born shortly after Marian died (it is not at all unusual for parents to have another child after losing a child).