LGBTQ Today: Issues, News and Views

[Oxynia]

Here's where you can talk about all things LGBTQ, from stories in the news, legislature, pop culture and everything in between.

[Coffeecakes]

This video by trans woman Blaire White, talks about trans women competing with women and decimating them. Funny how this Rachel McKinnon uses the same gaslighting tactic thrown at me when asking whether that was okay, that people don't want her to exist. Nice try but no, it's about her being biologically male and naturally stronger and she shouldn't be allowes to compete with women. Create a lane for them, or they can compete with other biological males in men's competition.

youtu.be/20vfmSjnYFw

And according to some, referring to trans people as trans is offensive and "putting a label on them". Yet it's okay to label us women and men cis. Okie dokie. Another video from Blaire making all kinds of sense.

youtu.be/cTSd5PS4-JY

[petitesuite]

Blaire is also, I believe, opposed to BLM and supported Trump in 2012. I think it is profoundly unintelligent to use her as some sort of "a trans woman said something stupid" gotcha. I am sure we can all agree that members of every conceivable group have said stupid things. I kind of can't believe I am even typing this out but it seems that it does not go without saying!

I continue to think that you do not know what transitioning entails, or what trans women are typically required to demonstrate in order to compete as women, and I don't think you are that interested. I cannot make you interested. But I also can't help but notice, that on here we have about a five-to-one ratio of posts about sports to posts about trans women competing in sports. It's almost as if it isn't about sports.

[leigh1983]

Sept 23, 2020 21:24:30 GMT -4 Coffeecakes said:

This video by trans woman Blaire White, talks about trans women competing with women and decimating them. Funny how this Rachel McKinnon uses the same gaslighting tactic thrown at me when asking whether that was okay, that people don't want her to exist. Nice try but no, it's about her being biologically male and naturally stronger and she shouldn't be allowes to compete with women. Create a lane for them, or they can compete with other biological males in men's competition.

youtu.be/20vfmSjnYFw

And according to some, referring to trans people as trans is offensive and "putting a label on them". Yet it's okay to label us women and men cis. Okie dokie. Another video from Blaire making all kinds of sense.

youtu.be/cTSd5PS4-JY

That video was just too much and transphobic, to be honest. I get that you don't understand or choose not to understand the transgender community. If people are finding it too hard to be given a label of cis, then they need to take a sit. If that's the hardest thing you've ever had to endure in life then it might be good to talk to people different than you and gain some knowledge about another community.

[Coffeecakes]

Sept 23, 2020 21:42:39 GMT -4 petitesuite said:

Blaire is also, I believe, opposed to BLM and supported Trump in 2012. I think it is profoundly unintelligent to use her as some sort of "a trans woman said something stupid" gotcha. I am sure we can all agree that members of every conceivable group have said stupid things. I kind of can't believe I am even typing this out but it seems that it does not go without saying!

I continue to think that you do not know what transitioning entails, or what trans women are typically required to demonstrate in order to compete as women, and I don't think you are that interested. I cannot make you interested. But I also can't help but notice, that on here we have about a five-to-one ratio of posts about sports to posts about trans women competing in sports. It's almost as if it isn't about sports.

Transitioning is taxing on a a trans person's body, but it does not wipe out a trans woman's male strength especially when they have experienced puberty. Which is evident how trans women are decimating women in sports. You think it's okay that women can't even compete fairly because they are up against biological males? Answer that instead of the dramatics because not one of you in the other thread wants to answer that. Why are trans women not only winning, but breaking records? Could it be because they are biologically male and stronger? Could it? It's funny how things are dodged to then bring up transphobia and "you don't want them to live!". You wouldn't feel some type of way that you trained and trained and then a biological male comes in and whoops your ass because they are stronger?

Another question that also gets dodged is the prison showering issue. It's okay for a trans woman with their male genitalia intact, to shower and be housed with female prisoners? All of the users want to type about discrimination, but don't ever want to openly address those issues which is why I brought it up yet again in the right thread.

That's cute about supposedly not knowing what transitioning is or what it entails, but transitioning entails hormone replacement therapy for life via pills or injections, sex reassignment surgery, facial feminization surgery, and other surgeries like BBL for hips, breast implants, etc. And if there was hairloss before, hair implants. Trans men get their breasts removed, hormone therapy, maybe a hysterectomy, srs, etc. Like I said before, it's taxing on the body besides the emotional part with moodswings, etc.

Blaire White is Republican, of course her ass is against BLM and is problematic in other areas. But when it comes to her own issues of being a trans woman, she lives in reality. And is it transphobic to say trans women can never menstruate now? Just curious. Since calling them trans women or trans men is also supposed to be transphobic now and putting a label on them. Why use the word transphobia when it's supposedly wrong to call them trans in the first place?

And since I know the issues above won't be addressed but more accusations of transphobia, we might as well agree to disagree.

[ladyboy]

That's cute* that you think you know what transitioning is, because you don't. People don't have to take medication or have surgery to identify as the gender they are. As you clearly know, referencing women in jail with male parts. What difference does it make if they are in jail with other women? Do you think women don't have sex with women? Because there is a penis in the room everyone is suddenly going to get raped?

And again with the sports. I said it in another thread, and I'll repeat it here - you use these issues as a mask to hide your bigotry against trans people. Shoring up a "reason" to be against them, because you don't want to say outright "I don't like them". Trans women are "decimating" women in sports? Really? Trans women are a pretty small percentage of the population, yet they are somehow taking over all sports? There are things to be figured out in sports, but competitive sports are a small blip in life for the majority of the world. Putting trans people in their own league - maybe like a Special Olympics? - is not the answer. That's outing them - AGAIN. Which seems to be one of your favorite things to do. Making them play on the team of their biological sex is ALSO outing them. I'm not saying I have the answers to these things, and frankly I don't care that much about the "sports issue", but your harping on these issues endlessly as if it justifies your negative attitudes towards trans people is something I can't just ignore. If you want to agree to disagree, then don't reply. Because I won't let your bigotry be the last word on this topic.

*Kind of condescending, right? So maybe knock it off. If you truly want to have a discussion here, don't be snide to other posters who have different opinions to you.

[leigh1983]

Mar 6, 2005 3:23:01 GMT -4 Coffeecakes said:

And since I know the issues above won't be addressed but more accusations of transphobia, we might as well agree to disagree.

I know a couple of posters have talked about knowing someone that is transgender or having a transgender child. When you say we might as well agree to disagree about a subject like this you are dismissing and diminishing another person's actual experience whether it LGBTQ rights, or conversations about race, etc. I'm sure this must be an uncomfortable topic for you talk to about, but it's a necessary discomfort you will have to deal with until you let go of your bias.

[Oxynia]

OK, so this didn't last long.

As you are all well aware, we do not allow swipes at fellow Greecies here. If you can't discuss the topic of this thread with respect and civility towards each other, we will shut this thread down for good.

Got it?

[Wol]

Friends just told us their son is trans. We've known them several years and it explains so much. He's had so many emotional problems since middle school, and it's been so hard because he's sweet and super talented and never seemed confident in his many good qualities no matter how often people told him or how much his parents supported him, and he had so much social anxiety and was so lonely. After years of therapy he's finally realized the problem is gender. His parents keep saying "He's so much happier and lighter. He laughs so much now." And they are so relieved that there's a diagnosis and a treatment plan. When your child is suffering from mental health issues it's easy to imagine a long road of medication and dosage adjustments and that horrible cycle where they go off their meds because they feel fine which is the reality for many people. And it made me think again how many people suffered over decades because we didn't have the diagnostic tools and associated science to diagnose and treat gender issues like this.

[gremlin45]

Sept 29, 2020 12:10:59 GMT -4 Wol said:

Friends just told us their son is trans. We've known them several years and it explains so much. He's had so many emotional problems since middle school, and it's been so hard because he's sweet and super talented and never seemed confident in his many good qualities no matter how often people told him or how much his parents supported him, and he had so much social anxiety and was so lonely. After years of therapy he's finally realized the problem is gender. His parents keep saying "He's so much happier and lighter. He laughs so much now." And they are so relieved that there's a diagnosis and a treatment plan. When your child is suffering from mental health issues it's easy to imagine a long road of medication and dosage adjustments and that horrible cycle where they go off their meds because they feel fine which is the reality for many people. And it made me think again how many people suffered over decades because we didn't have the diagnostic tools and associated science to diagnose and treat gender issues like this.

I'm really glad his parents are being supportive. It must be such a hard road to tread even with support. I can't imagine how difficult it is for those without a supportive network.