cremetangerine82
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“These are the times that try men's souls.” - Thomas Paine
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Post by cremetangerine82 on Aug 19, 2022 23:40:21 GMT -4
CW: abuse, trauma, alcohol, firearms, bad paternal parenting
Thank you to everyone who has expressed that victims of abuse, whether private citizens or very public celebrities, don’t need to “be quiet” and "quit stirring the pot" about their experience(s) of abuse. That’s something I have no patience for anymore.
I just pawned my dad's guns, and one of them still had a red "EVIDENCE" sticker on it. The gun shop owners asked if it's from a open criminal case, and I said it was closed and my dad's deceased.
The reason it was confiscated is because he waved the loaded rifle around while drunk and threatened me for being "a bad daughter". I called 911, and the police confiscated it because it could have been Exhibit A in a court case (I never filed).
No one should tell me I shouldn't have called the cops because I would "embarrass him in public". I now feel regret for not filing charges because he truly threatened my life and could have hurt my mother.
I support Angie for making Brad's abuse known to the public.
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eveschmeve
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Post by eveschmeve on Aug 20, 2022 0:32:07 GMT -4
First of all, I want to say that I’m so sorry to all of you who have gone through traumatic experiences. Thank you for sharing with us, and I’m sending you all strength and peace.
One thing I thought about was that by all indications the oldest three kids are not close with Brad and have cut off contact. I wonder if some of this may be Angelina actually trying to support the kids through that. It would be tough to experience trauma (as others have said, this couldn’t have been the first time something like this happened) and then have your very popular and beloved father blame you cutting him off on parental alienation. While it certainly could be the case, it also could be that he was an alcoholic and a crappy dad and the kids who can decide have decided not to be involved with him. The fact that he gets to walk around like nothing happened might be tough for all of them, not just Angelina.
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Post by cubanitafresca on Aug 20, 2022 16:15:05 GMT -4
I think she could have multiple reasons for it. First, she's very politically active in the field of the rights of abused women, and she just straight up probably wants to know specifically why decisions were made not to pursue charges, both for herself and as part of the greater context of an issue she's clearly passionate about. She filed the FOIA under Jane Doe, and none of this leaked through People or TMZ, which are basically the celeb legal outlets of choice. This came down through political journalists, who are probably analyzing every FOIA against the FBI right now. That said, I just...honestly don't care? If she did it for petty reasons, to make it hella awkward for him when he tries to get his kudos over his Weinstein doc, as retaliation for him not letting her get out of the winery business with him? goodforherlucillebluth.gif I mean, he did it. It's the truth. Not even he is denying it. And so making the primary question of this "why would she want anyone to know he's abusive and terrible" feels like just one more way we tell women to just suffer quietly and not make things uncomfortable for anyone. Frankly, I think the truth being out there is probably less difficult for her kids than the years of gaslighting via media they've been subjected to. Each of these possibilities, as I read them, focus on her. Nothing here focuses on how the kids are better cared for or better protected by the world knowing. That's my point. I think it's BS to give her accolades for being this fantastic mother who always puts her children first when if she'd take action like this, she's not putting them first. I don’t really agree with the notion that she should keep quiet. I mean, maybe he’s shouldn’t have been abusive instead. He did it. Why should she have to never discuss it? I do get not airing dirty laundry because it impacts kids to some extent but she’s allowed to tell her story and she’s not even slamming him right now, just letting what happened be known. She definitely seems to bare the brunt of the public hating and he’s like Teflon so I can see where she would want to be transparent and the kids are already aware of the situation. Abuse thrives on silence. I'm not saying she is not allowed to discuss it. I don't see anyone else saying that either. There are lots of things that are allowed, but not wise. I think damage is being done to the kids to make it public. I don't think there's a rule that either Brad is bad or Angelina is bad, but both can't be. Her making choices that may be selfish and not good for her kids doens't mean Brad is a good guy. Quite honestly - I think it's more common for two crappy people to be drawn to each other. So truth be told, they're probably both crappy self centered people who pay a lot for PR people who create great images for them. Except Angelina did not release it. Actually the opposite. She requested the file for her legal case, under Jane Doe. She then asked the judge to seal the file for the kids sake and he denied her request. A politico reporter came across the Jane Doe request and made his own request then released it. So yes she was protecting the kids. And the fact some jump to assume she’s the villain or doesn’t care about the kids is sad, and says a lot about society and the fact that golden boys almost always get a pass. |
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gremlin45
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Post by gremlin45 on Aug 20, 2022 16:53:24 GMT -4
Brad is Teflon for some reason. I have no idea why. He's a successful white man and others make money off his films. |
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Post by Coffeecakes on Aug 21, 2022 6:09:05 GMT -4
I feel for the kids that this is public, but glad something is out there to drag his Ken doll ass with. It was truly sickening his Oscar campaign complete with the joke about his character and of course his I am bffs with Jennifer! "the woman wronged by my other ex, that evil Angelina." Fuck his smelly looking teflon ass. Especially since Angelina tried to have it sealed and a political reporter got it out there.
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esoterica
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Post by esoterica on Aug 22, 2022 8:09:39 GMT -4
Out of the loop - is this the only time he's been called out for alcohol-fueled rage?
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Post by Ginger on Aug 23, 2022 13:26:06 GMT -4
Out of the loop - is this the only time he's been called out for alcohol-fueled rage? Simply answered: yes. His personal and professional record were always pristine, which is unusual considering by his own admission, he would drink in massive quantities, although he did not say how often. The worst rumor that had ever circulated about him was that he was a pothead, but not in a problematic way. |
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cremetangerine82
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Post by cremetangerine82 on Aug 23, 2022 13:33:03 GMT -4
Out of the loop - is this the only time he's been called out for alcohol-fueled rage? Simply answered: yes. His personal and professional record were always pristine, which is unusual considering by his own admission, he would drink in massive quantities, although he did not say how often. The worst rumor that had ever circulated about him was that he was a pothead, but not in a problematic way. The worst "rumors" about Brad has been that he doesn't bathe that often and likes the green. The plane incident is frightening because it seems so out-of-character, but in vino veritas. After Mel Gibson's drunk-driving arrest when he spewed anti-Semitic rhetoric removed a LOT of doubt to some of the general public that The Passion of the Christ had an anti-Jewish perspective. |
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Post by Ladybug on Aug 23, 2022 13:55:01 GMT -4
It was probably an emerging pattern of behavior that culminated on the plane incident. I can see him being a mean drunk and lashing out at the family but being trapped together on a plane for hours and hours was a catalyst for him getting physical. Just speculating. Hope this was the only incident of violence.
I think that's why Brad has been able to bounce back PR wise, he doesn't have a history of aggressive or drunken behavior. His professional track record is good. Prior to this the worst thing he'd ever done was leave Jennifer for Angelina, and even Jennifer seems to be over that. His other exes Juliette Lewis and Gwyneth also still speak highly of him.
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Post by Ginger on Aug 23, 2022 14:18:14 GMT -4
One thing I always remember Jennifer saying when she was married to Brad is that she appreciated that he was always nice to her, no matter what. When they would fight, he would never talk to her unkindly. And she appreciated it because she grew up in a household where that was not the case.
Obviously, something changed, who knows exactly when. In addition to what he did to Angelina, the way he spoke about one of the children (I don't think it's good to speculate which one, the names were redacted for a reason) does belie the nice guy image.
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