Jane Fonda

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It's one thing to protest the Vietnam war-we were totally wrong. It's quite another to side with the Viet Cong. They were brutal bastards. War isn't always black and white-one side good, the other side bad.

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guinastasia said:

It's one thing to protest the Vietnam war-we were totally wrong. It's quite another to side with the Viet Cong. They were brutal bastards. War isn't always black and white-one side good, the other side bad.

Exactly.

I think part of the reason a lot us can't seem to get past it is because not only are there so many Vietnam Vets still alive, but a lot of us who were born during the war have dealt with a lot of the problems these vets have had since coming back. That is what makes it so personal. Unlike the majority of protesters today, these vets were attacked viciously including my cousin and my Godfather. So Ms. Fonda siding with the enemy is a slap in the face to my family and myself. As a Catholic, I forgive her, but I cannot pretend to like her or support her if that makes any sense.

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I can understand people still being upset with Fonda. But I don't think it's fair. Jane was young and very stupid to do that and she has said so herself. How many people want to be held accountable for mistakes made in their youth?

Seems to me Fonda has apologized enough for being young, something few of us have to do.

I can't imagine blaming my 70 year old mother for things she did in her 20's.

[Mugsy]

Fonda was 34, hardly in "her youth". And people should be held accountable for some things from their early life; not everything can be erased because one is young. The soldiers were all young, but Fonda wasn't - and still doesn't - give them free pass.

If a current celeb of her stature and age at the time - say, Julia Roberts or Charlize Theron - said that not only is the war in Iraq wrong, but the soldiers who have fought there should be considered war criminals, and that she sides with the enemy, imagine how the fur would fly! And there would be no forgiveness or understanding for "youth".

Jane Fonda is the fakiest fake that ever faked. She's all about what is good for Jane Fonda. She as the subject of the much-discussed "Adored Ava" blind item, which bamboozled everyone at FT, and subsequently here.

She conformed to whatever man she was with to become his ideal wife; if that's not the most anti-feminism message, I don't know what is.

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mugsy said:

Fonda was 34, hardly in "her youth". And people should be held accountable for some things from their early life; not everything can be erased because one is young. The soldiers were all young, but Fonda wasn't - and still doesn't - give them free pass.

If a current celeb of her stature and age at the time - say, Julia Roberts or Charlize Theron - said that not only is the war in Iraq wrong, but the soldiers who have fought there should be considered war criminals, and that she sides with the enemy, imagine how the fur would fly! And there would be no forgiveness or understanding for "youth".

Jane Fonda is the fakiest fake that ever faked. She's all about what is good for Jane Fonda. She as the subject of the much-discussed "Adored Ava" blind item, which bamboozled everyone at FT, and subsequently here.

She conformed to whatever man she was with to become his ideal wife; if that's not the most anti-feminism message, I don't know what is.

Part of my feeling on this is due to the fact that I was a wee child when Jane went to vietnam, so my views on what she did are based on what I've read about all of it. Today, after reading your post, I searched online to find out exactly what the deal is. Found this at Snopes. It seems to be a thorough and correct analysis but feel free to correct if it's not.

In any case, it does seem to me that Jane Fonda is not a smart woman and never has been. That's part of the reason I can forgive her for this. It's one to blame an intelligent person, who should know better. But if it's someone who clearly isn't playing with a full deck in the first place, or a celebrity, I just don't get bent out of shape about it. Maybe I should but I don't.

Back then, celebrities were more mysterious and they did have clout. People listened when they spoke, and they rarely spoke on anything. Not like today when we have all types of celebs touting one thing or another and pretending to have the answers to all the worlds' ills. Today, we view them critically because we know most of it is spin. But back then, celebs were given more weight for the stuff they spewed than they should have been afforded.

So, in retrospect, I think some of this feeling toward Jane, the dislike and hatred in some cases, feels to me like it stems from the whole Vietnam controversy. Should the USA have been there or not? Was it right to fight or not? That same argument is still being played today and Jane Fonda is often brought into it as a central point. I just don't view her as a central point to anything about Vietnam. Considering Vietnam and all that there is to it, to me, Jane Fonda was a mere blip and not worth a mention. That's all I'm saying.

In the end, I do think Jane Fonda lived her life for others and rarely gave thought to her actions. That's who she was. But, after Ted Turner particularly, she has impressed me as having learned a thing or two and changed a great deal. Grown up, matured, wisened a bit at least. I can give her credit for that and think, sometimes, that's an equally powerful message to women as someone who got it right their entire lives.

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caribou said:

mugsy said:

So, in retrospect, I think some of this feeling toward Jane, the dislike and hatred in some cases, feels to me like it stems from the whole Vietnam controversy. Should the USA have been there or not? Was it right to fight or not? That same argument is still being played today and Jane Fonda is often brought into it as a central point. I just don't view her as a central point to anything about Vietnam. Considering Vietnam and all that there is to it, to me, Jane Fonda was a mere blip and not worth a mention. That's all I'm saying.

I have to disagree with you there. Respectfully of course. I can assure you that neither my cousin or my Godfather believed we should be in Vietnam, in fact they were both vehemently opposed to the war. However, they were called up to serve and they did. Several tours in fact and saw horrors most of cannot imagine. And what did they come back to? Horrors with regards to their treatment by fellow Americans that hopefully not a single soldier will have to deal with today. Fonda smiling with the enemy at a time when a lot of these men were huge fans of hers was a huge slap in the face IMO.

[Daisy Pusher]

mugsy said:

She as the subject of the much-discussed "Adored Ava" blind item, which bamboozled everyone at FT, and subsequently here.

Wait a minute..... Jane Fonda was "Adored Ava??" I'll be a monkey's uncle. When did that get confirmed?

[veronicamars]

Can someone elaborate on the Adored Ava blind item

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I love blind items, but I think this one got past me. Help a sister out and give the low down

[Daisy Pusher]

Well, here is Ted's original AA BI. It set off a frenzy of speculation (see the Guess Who, Don't Sue thread).