nuharoo
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Post by nuharoo on Sept 6, 2006 11:01:53 GMT -4
Be funny as hell if Aiko grows up to have a bunch of boys and the newborn prince has only daughters. Well now, I suppose that everyone here has something to look forward to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2006 15:38:38 GMT -4
Methinks Masako may have one last go of it on the table to conceive a boy just to get back at her brother and sister-in-law.
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Post by azaleaqueen on Sept 6, 2006 16:07:05 GMT -4
I wish she would. And that it would be successful.
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Post by Karrit on Sept 6, 2006 17:00:30 GMT -4
Oxnyia wrote:
That is so infuriating. Because they would never dream of writing that Prince "failed to deliver" the Y chromosome.
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Post by Yossarian on Sept 6, 2006 20:56:09 GMT -4
I just hope that the birth of this baby boy eases up the pressure on Masako and that she can regain some of her former brilliance and confidence. I also hope that she is instructing her own daughter on how to stand up to the fascists that apparently rule the Imperial Household. Really, that little girl should count her blessings that she was not born a boy ... at least she has a hope of escaping a life of cloistered, soul-destroying protocol.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2006 21:13:11 GMT -4
To the IHA, conformity is everything--the nail that pops up is hammered down. If Aiko doesn't conform to IHA standards, Masako would shoulder all the blame for failing to adequately educating her in the protocols and rules. And then you'd get the conservatives yapping about how unseemly it is for the royals to be raising their own children (not done until the current Empress came onto the scene).
The princesses may be able to have some sort of freedom of choice after they have married-but they still won't be able to live like normal people. It's pretty much a given that they will be married to someone connected to the old aristocracy, where there are just as many rules and protocols as the hair on my dog.
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Post by Mouse on Sept 6, 2006 21:30:15 GMT -4
What about Prince Naruhito? He's spoken up for his wife before and sounded unhappy with the IHA. Would he be willing to stick up for his family again?
If these attitudes continue, the Japanese imperial line will likely die out. What sane woman would want to marry into such a family? At least little Aiko could do what her aunt did--marry a comoner and relinquish her royal title.
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Post by kafka on Sept 6, 2006 23:47:03 GMT -4
The princesses may be able to have some sort of freedom of choice after they have married-but they still won't be able to live like normal people. It's pretty much a given that they will be married to someone connected to the old aristocracy, where there are just as many rules and protocols as the hair on my dog. I'm not sure I agree with this. The Emperor's older and younger sisters (Mrs. Takamasa (formerly Prss Yori) & Mrs. Hisanaga Shimazu (former Princess Suga)) have had very quiet, utterly normal lives. And I don't believe Prss Nori/Sayako's husband is old aristocracy. Akihito's sister, Mrs. Takatsukasa, did marry someone connected to the old establishment but I don't think that was a rule set in stone at the time. Maybe in the generation prior to that, but I definitely don't think it will be an expectation for the future princesses.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2006 0:20:18 GMT -4
Well, Kuroda's grandfather was a big-shot businessman in Shanghai (nicknamed the Cotton Gentleman) at the turn of the century and was tight with Toyota Sakichi, who founded the Toyota Motor Corporation. Apparently you couldn't throw a rock there without hitting someone wearing materials from his company. He was also connected to the Nisshin Seihun Group Inc., which was founded by Empress Michiko's father. His eldest son married a woman from the Akizuki family (old aristocrat) and his eldest daughter also married into an aristocratic family (Saisho family) as well. Kuroda himself went to Gashukuin, which is hardly a place for plebs. So yes, even though his family isn't by definition old aristocratic, I'd call them very well-connected old establishment--as close as you can get to aristocracy without having the bloodline.
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Post by kafka on Sept 7, 2006 0:30:29 GMT -4
Well-connected and with money or connections 2 generations back, let alone purely industrial-derived money, is not akin to established aristocracy or one of the disposed imperial lines. I doubt an Imperial princesses is going to be in contact with the hoi-polloi, so she will hardly meet or be permitted to marry a street vendor, but it's hardly the same thing as saying that she's absolutely required to marry into the old establishment.
As for your assertion that the princesses will never lead normal lives, post-marriage, I think that is easily refuted by the lives thus far of the imperial princesses who are Akihito's sisters. As it is by the almost non-focus on Nori's life now. There was a story about 8 or 10 months back about the Emperor and Empress coming over to dinner to her shoebox flat, and that's been about it.
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