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Post by Mutagen on Nov 21, 2006 10:04:44 GMT -4
That apology was absurd. Then again, is there an apology that wouldn't be intensely weird and uncomfortable? I mean if (God forbid) there was ever footage of me flipping out and shrieking the N-word, my first instinct would be to crawl into a hole for the next 10 years.
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Post by girlnamedcarl on Nov 21, 2006 10:14:16 GMT -4
Crap. What the hell is wrong with people?? This beautiful quote and the beautiful saying that spawned it captured the wrongness and just-plain-weirdness of Kramer's racist rant: Seriously! Whether you're pulled over by the cops or heckled at a comedy club, if you automatically go to racial slurs, you're a racist. Full stop. How bizarre was the "fork up the (butt)" comment?? - Is that a formof torture I've just never heard before?! I think I can answer that one; it was probably a variation of "stick a fork in him; he's done." Just, you know, uglier. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2006 10:34:26 GMT -4
He's a total pig and he deserves for his career to come to a screeching halt (if it had not already).
But, I must say I find it refreshing that he didn't blame it on being drunk. I can't think of anyone else recently that has royally fucked up that didn't automatically put the blame on booze. Just sayin'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2006 10:54:15 GMT -4
He rambled so much you could barely keep up with what he was saying. It's like snippets of thought. He said he's not a racist- ok *obviously-eye roll* He said something about racism in America in regards to Katrina and the "Afro-Americans" (guess he is trying to be hyper PC and can't even say black) feeling the effects of racism then he went into race relations between our country and others and wtf? He was all over the board.
I could kind of understand the crowd laughing. I kind of chuckled at home myself. I think that late night shows have gotten the audience so used to fake news telecast skits that even though you know it is real, your sub-concious is still waiting for fake GWB or fake Arnie to waltz across the screen. I saw the TMZ tape and I was chuckling at his sincerity like it was a joke even though I knew it was supposed to be real. It's like my mind couldn't quite grasp it. Plus he was all nonsense so my brain didn't really compute. I felt like an 8th grader at an assembly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2006 11:14:38 GMT -4
GreenApple -- I know what you mean. I'd heard about the whole thing before I actually saw it (this morning) but if I hadn't been prepared, I probably would have been smiling at first, thinking it was some clever, satirical stunt (in the tradition of Andy Kaufman or Lenny Bruce). But on the footage of it I caught this morning, you did hear people in the audience laughing at first. Then the laughter faded out, and then I'm positive I heard a stunned (female) voice saying "Oh, my god!" So apparently it took a few moments for people to have it dawn on them that this freak was really out of control and not just pulling a comedic stunt where there was going to be an insightful punchline at the end.
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Post by GirlyGhoul on Nov 21, 2006 11:19:58 GMT -4
Oh I totally thought he was talking about pitch forks. The comment was said in the same breath as some evilness about the heckler winding up swinging from a tree with a fork up his butt. To me, he's talking about lynch mobs and their tendancy to brandish torches and pitch forks. Heinous. And definitely Klanish.
Not that one has to be a member of the KKK to sport that level of hatred and bigotry, but bringing up the imagery of a lynch mob as being a solution to this guy's heckling?!?!? Dude, seriously! That's just plain EVIL!
I'm surprised that in his "apology" he was able to realize that his words could contribute to all ready exisiting racial tensions. Umm, yeah, duh! But if you have that much understanding about it, WHY did you do it?
Flipping off the N- word is one thing. It's not right, but in the non-PC comedy circuit I could see it happening. But going so far as to use lynch mob imagery? That's a whole extra level of wrong. IMO he should do more than apologize. He should visit the Civil Rights Museum and take a look at some photos of that real life imagery. It would put his troubles with hecklers in some f*cking perspective.
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Post by girlnamedcarl on Nov 21, 2006 11:51:21 GMT -4
Oh I totally thought he was talking about pitch forks. The comment was said in the same breath as some evilness about the heckler winding up swinging from a tree with a fork up his butt. To me, he's talking about lynch mobs and their tendancy to brandish torches and pitch forks. Heinous. And definitely Klanish. ! I didn't know he'd said that! I didn't want to watch the video clip; I knew it would disgust me, but I didn't know the extent of his loathsomeness. Jesus. Yeah, then, I guess he was talking about a pitchfork. Usually, when I hear "stick a fork up his ass," the context is "he's done." But then, I don't usually hear hateful racist rants in my day-to-day life. |
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Post by puretrash on Nov 21, 2006 11:55:08 GMT -4
I don't understand why Seinfeld feels the need to defend Richards. It seems he would want to distance himself from the situation as much as possible. He said that Richards "deserved" the chance to apologize. "Deserved"? Why? There's no apology or excuse that will make those sort of comments okay. It has nothing to do with "rage." It has to do with being a racist. Yeah, I suppose his problems with "rage" exposed his racism, but the racism was still there, with or without rage. And "Afro-Americans"? Ugh. I don't think much of either one of them right now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2006 12:03:41 GMT -4
I don't understand why Seinfeld feels the need to defend Richards. It seems he would want to distance himself from the situation as much as possible. He said that Richards "deserved" the chance to apologize. "Deserved"? Why? There's no apology or excuse that will make those sort of comments okay. It has nothing to do with "rage." It has to do with being a racist. Yeah, I suppose his problems with "rage" exposed his racism, but the racism was still there, with or without rage. And "Afro-Americans"? Ugh. I don't think much of either one of them right now. I agree. Leno was talking about some guy getting arrested for having sex with a dead deer on the side of the road (I'm going to make a connection here-bear with me) well, a normal person would not do that no matter how randy they were feeling or how lacking they were in sexual attention. It is something that was there all along and manifested for some reason. Richards had those ideas festering and something brought them to the surface. If it's not there it is not going to happen regardless if you classify it as "out of character". |
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Post by pinkdog on Nov 21, 2006 12:07:14 GMT -4
Actually, I thought Jerry did a very good job of "defending" Richards without defending him at all. Jerry didn't say much of anything, really. And awkward as it may have been, his shushing the crowd and telling them not to laugh was an attempt to bring gravity to Richards' (obviously insincere) statements.
And we have to remember that Jerry has a franchise to protect; Richards is damaging Seinfeld's reputation. It is only smart business for Seinfeld to try to smooth it all over. Y'no?
ETA: To be more clear, I didn't see Jerry as defending ANY aspect of what Richards said. I thought he was just allowing/forcing Richards to take the opportunity to try to defuse the situtation.
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