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Post by angelaudie on Sept 12, 2013 22:29:04 GMT -4
I feel like Katherine probably IS difficult and a major pain in the ass, but so much of the criticism of her is mixed up in sexism and misogyny that it's hard to know where one ends and the other begins. Agreed. Some of the criticism has been overblown but much of it has been deserved. Katherine can be a victim of sexism and a major pain at the same time. They aren't mutually exclusive. I believe what really hurt Katherine is how she exited Grey's. She flat out refused to show up to work and left ABC with little choice but to fire her. I can't blame her for wanting off the show (Izzie thinking she was having sex with Dead!Denny had to be the last straw) but not showing up is not the way to get out of her contract. Things like that leave a bad taste in Hollywood's mouth no matter what your sex is. Not showing up for work is what got Robert Downey Jr blacklisted for years and he is much more talented than Katherine.
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Post by Ginger on Sept 12, 2013 22:31:55 GMT -4
Sean Penn has done some horrible things in his personal life, but as far as I know, people really like working with him. It sounds like Heigl makes the daily task of trying to deal with her on set a nightmare, and that's really what her employers are going to care about, more than if she went home and punched a paparazzo at night.
Also, Sean Penn? A great actor, a unique actor, and one with a reputation built over decades. Heigl is a totally replaceable blonde who has not been missed.
I'm mystified as to why Charlie Sheen is still employed - I think it has to do with the ratio of money he brings in (very high) versus the level of trouble he causes on set(tolerable). But I think it's not fair to say that because that one guy gets an infinite number of chances that it's proof that male actors in general get an infinite number of chances and women don't.
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Post by Foo on Sept 13, 2013 0:38:17 GMT -4
I think what KH had to say about Knocked Up was spot-on and valid.
But I think she should have left those critiques to other feminists. I don't think you should criticize your own movie, esp. when you agreed to be in it! And not just because it might kill your career, because it's effin' rude to the people who hired you and worked with you on it.
I agree with the person who said they can't take her critique of Knocked Up seriously after seeing The Ugly Truth. That was truly misogynist garbage. I think what you do (act in a blatantly sexist movie) does and should undermine what you say (valid critique of semi-sexist movie).
Yeah. Shut up, Katherine.
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Post by scarlett210 on Sept 13, 2013 0:42:55 GMT -4
From the article:
Who would want to deal with somebody like that? Sean Penn maybe an asshole in his personal life, but is he raging about the craft services and wardrobe on a daily basis? And would this be tolerated of Katherine Heigl as long as she was bringing in big box office? Yes. But once her movies started losing money, Hollywood no longer needed to put up with her or her crazy mom.
You know you are a nightmare when even your publicist fires you.
It goes back to, she's not worth the hassle considering what she brings to the table. She's a generic blonde with middling talent and a string of rom com clunkers behind her. She has a reputation of being difficult, greedy and demanding and costing people time, money and sanity. She has a dwindling fanbase who obviously are not interested in her movies. And to top it off she has the propensity to slag off a project once it's time to promote.
I doubt Shonda Rimes' problems with Katherine Heigl have to deal with sexism and misogyny. There is a pattern of bad behavior on practically every project she's been involved in. Hollywood is a small town. Once you fuck your reputation with diva antics, everyone finds out and you're toast.
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Post by iClaudia on Sept 13, 2013 1:31:36 GMT -4
Sean Penn has done some horrible things in his personal life, but as far as I know, people really like working with him. It sounds like Heigl makes the daily task of trying to deal with her on set a nightmare, and that's really what her employers are going to care about, more than if she went home and punched a paparazzo at night. Also, Sean Penn? A great actor, a unique actor, and one with a reputation built over decades. Heigl is a totally replaceable blonde who has not been missed. I'm mystified as to why Charlie Sheen is still employed - I think it has to do with the ratio of money he brings in (very high) versus the level of trouble he causes on set(tolerable). But I think it's not fair to say that because that one guy gets an infinite number of chances that it's proof that male actors in general get an infinite number of chances and women don't. I'd also add that both Sean Penn and Charlie Sheen had career downslides. Until 10 years or so ago, to me Sean Penn was pretty much just the crazy dude who was once married to Madonna. I'm sure her comeback will be more difficult due to sexism but at the same time, every actress knows the crappy hand they are dealt and it's hard to feel sorry for someone who squanders away opportunities so many women would kill for over such petty behavior. Reese Witherspoon is no shrinking violet and she hasn't alienated people in the industry despite sometimes eyebrow raising comments. Even her drunk driving incident has been pretty much forgotten. Even people like Gwyneth Paltrow and Jennifer Lopez don't have the reputation that Heigl does. I do hope that she truly turns over a new leaf and has success because I think it would be good if someone like her had real power in the industry. But she has to get there first.
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Post by kostgard on Sept 13, 2013 1:58:38 GMT -4
I agree that ladies have a harder time than the dudes. I just saw that Alec Baldwin was on Letterman and they talking about him pinning a photographer to the hood of a car after he tried to get a picture of his wife and new baby, and I thought "If a lady did that, she wouldn't be able to go on Letterman and just laugh it off."
But at the same time, I think the absolute bottom line in Hollywood is money. Charlie Sheen did have a down slide, but he signed onto some little sitcom and for reasons that completely elude me, it became a huge hit. So when he started acting out again, he had a reputation as a money-maker, so people were ready to forgive him (Charlie also has nepotism on his side, which probably keep some doors open that would normally be slammed shut). Julia Roberts can be a bitch on wheels - Spielberg called her "Tinkerhell" due to her behavior on the set of "Hook" - but she makes money for Hollywood. She was in no danger of doing NyQuil commercials as long as audiences loved her. And I don't think Heigl connects with audiences the way Roberts does/did.
You can be an asshole in Hollywood as long as your box office can cover the checks your bad attitude writes. If you are a pain in the ass and yet you don't put asses in the seats, you won't last too long.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 4:03:45 GMT -4
You can be an asshole in Hollywood as long as your box office can cover the checks your bad attitude writes. If you are a pain in the ass and yet you don't put asses in the seats, you won't last too long. Sexism is at the root of that, though, because at the end of the day, you don't need more than three fingers or so to count the number of women in Hollywood who have box office pull. Hollywood is effectively set up in such a way (less great parts written for them, studios less willing to make them the lead) that stops the vast majority of women from ever gaining that kind of power. Whenever someone compares how an actress is treated versus an actor with similar behaviour, the response is always that the actor has talent and power, while the actress is generic and not worth it. IMO, Hollywood has a tendency to pick its pool of actresses from the pretty-but-nothing-special pile precisely so it can treat them as worthless and disposable. I don't know if it's even a conscious thing, but it just feels like there are people who like to see women get their comeuppance and they can justify it by saying, "I'm not sexist; if she was really talented, that wouldn't have happened to her." Well, why aren't the talented women being picked and promoted in the first place?
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Post by lea1977 on Sept 13, 2013 5:07:00 GMT -4
I wouldn't want to be an actress, your career is pretty short unless you get allowed into the club that Hollywood deems to be somewhat bankable over 50 ie Meryl Streep.
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Post by prada on Sept 13, 2013 5:27:16 GMT -4
I am sorry but Sean Penn is scum. He not only beat up Madonna, he tied her up and raped her. Fuck that! He should've gone to jail and never worked in Hollywood again. That is disgusting and unforgivable. Chris Brown gets a lot of rightful grief here for beating up Rihanna but Sean doesn't because he can act?! Alec Baldwin is another asshole who has been accused of domestic abuse but oh well, he can act so great for him! What type of message does that even send?
JLo is a pain in the ass to work with and I have never heard her get half the grief Katherine has. KH may be difficult but she at least has much more talent the JLo so if it is being stated here that if you are talented it is okay to be a shitty person they I will give KH more of a pass. Hollywood is an awful, messed up place and it makes me mad that the double standard when it comes to treating men and women hasn't evolved much since the 1950s. There are MANY power players in Hollywood who are rude, treat people like shit, make their lives miserable and never, ever get called out. I agree with the poster that said KH is the type of female needed behind the scenes in Hollywood because she does speak her mind and doesn't bullshit around. I may not agree with everything she has done but I will not condemn her for her past actions so harshly. I mean, if Roman Polanski can get away with raping a 13 year old and feeling the country and still garner so much support and praise, then I think someone being a little difficult should get a damn pass.
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Post by BoroKat on Sept 13, 2013 9:37:23 GMT -4
Since the explosion of the internet, people have been cautioned about what they say about their jobs online. I see Katherine's comments about her movies as no different than you or I taking to Twitter or Facebook to complain about our bosses/co-workers/job responsibilities. You just don't do it and this is why.
I personally do not see the sexism but only because I honestly have a higher opinion of her than Penn or Sheen who are both messes. She seems to have a loving and fulfilling personal life, but her professional life is in shambles. We all know people who behave poorly at work, male and female. But Hollywood is weird and different, I know. I am not saying sexism does not exist - it does in spades, but Katherine's problems seem to go beyond her being a "strong woman".
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