roseland
Sloane Ranger
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Post by roseland on Apr 29, 2017 21:17:41 GMT -4
I've read the books and I'd have to say that I'd strongly disagree that the series is very different from the book in places. They've expanded on some things. For instance, they expanded Frank Randall's role in the first season. In the book, once Claire goes back in time, there is nothing about what's going on with Frank in the future. I suspect that these scenes were added simply because of how great an actor Tobias Menzies is and they wanted to give him more screen time. There is only one scene that they added that I think is problematic because it really changes how a future action is viewed. I won't say what because, until Season 3 airs, it's a spoiler. But really, overall, the series has hewed pretty closely to the book.
My sister and I are great fans of the book and, of course, we love Jamie. We've actually had a discussion about how great it would be to find a real life Jamie but we both realize that would be impossible. Because a real life Jamie simply could not exist. Jamie is great because he always knows what it is Claire needs. Because he is fictional and comes from the same mind that created a Claire. Therefore, he can read Claire's mind so he knows exactly what she needs, when she needs it. He never missteps. Never says the wrong thing. Or, if he does (and it does happen, tho mostly in the earlier books), he knows what to say/do to make it right. That's simply never going to happen in real life. People can't read your mind. They make mistakes, they fuck up and they don't always know how to make it right.
Women who bemoan a lack of a Jamie in their lives need to suck it up and quit expecting the men in their lives to read their minds. If the want something from their partner, tell them. That's the way to get your very own Jamie.
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Post by Ladybug on Apr 30, 2017 16:21:07 GMT -4
If you think the book/show fandom is scary, don't go near the San Heughan-Catriona Balfe shipper fandom. Those people are absolute loons and have an even looser grasp on reality.
Diana Gabaldon doesn't like it when you call her books romance novels, but Jamie is 100% romance novel fantasy.
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May 17, 2024 4:41:09 GMT -4
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 21:53:04 GMT -4
Those are all great points about Jamie, roseland. The only group I belong to specifically forbids Cat/Sam shipping.
Tobias Menzies is crazy good at what he does. I saw the Night Manager last year and I can still hear him screaming at his underlings "WE HAVE A PROBLEM!!"
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Post by BoroKat on May 1, 2017 14:15:18 GMT -4
Jamie is totally a romance novel character. He's good at virtually everything, raised in the country (so he is all big and brawny and athletic) but educated in Paris (so he is also well-read and well-spoken), funny and witty yet commanding and a leader, an alpha type who is also progressive for the times, and of course, smoking hot. He and Claire are one of my favorite relationships, but no, he does exist in the real world and it makes me sad that there are women out there waiting for him.
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Post by cubanitafresca on May 3, 2017 17:58:31 GMT -4
These last couple comments remind me of a conversation a friend and I had. That one of the biggest problems with modern relationships is that no one has realistic expectations. Woman are looking for the perfect romantic hero (like Jamie) and guys are looking for a cross between the girl next door and a porn star. It's no wonder so many people can't a partner.
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Post by Ladybug on May 4, 2017 15:01:32 GMT -4
Cait posted a group picture that included Sam and his girlfriend and it sent their shippers into meltdown. Summary here.I can't imagine wasting so much of my mental and emotional energy on people I don't know and will probably never meet. Maybe living in this fantasyland is easier than trying to make it in the real world? It seems horribly taxing. If you read through the piece, one of these crazies went to Cait's bf's bar to try and figure out if they were actually dating. I mean, WTF? What do any of them hope to gain from this?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 23:37:33 GMT -4
Cait posted a group picture that included Sam and his girlfriend and it sent their shippers into meltdown. Summary here.I can't imagine wasting so much of my mental and emotional energy on people I don't know and will probably never meet. Maybe living in this fantasyland is easier than trying to make it in the real world? It seems horribly taxing. If you read through the piece, one of these crazies went to Cait's bf's bar to try and figure out if they were actually dating. I mean, WTF? What do any of them hope to gain from this? What a great read that was, ladybug. She and the other commenters keep bringing up comparisons to the "Robstein" drama. But crazy fans always remind me of the Russell Crowe fandom back in the late 1990s/early 2000s. There were a few message boards that collected people who loved him in LA Confidential and The Insider, and were watching the progress of the filming of Gladiator (there were tons of on-set reports, especially by battle recreators who were recruited by Ridley Scott for the battle scenes). People were OBSESSED with high-resolution photos of him, with finding out details of his private life, getting tickets to (usually sold out) concerts by his terrible, terrible band, going to rugby games when his team was playing. There was jealousy galore about the mystery women who managed to always score front row seats to the concerts, and about who saw him when and where, and who talked to him backstage and on set, and desperate attempts to have a "private audience". As you can imagine, the whole fandom blew up in an explosive fiasco when Meg Ryan entered the picture. Memories, LOL.
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trifle
Lady in Waiting
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Post by trifle on May 5, 2017 9:38:48 GMT -4
You're giving me FRU flashbacks. If I never see a picture of Russell's watch again...
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Post by Mutagen on May 5, 2017 10:20:32 GMT -4
Cait posted a group picture that included Sam and his girlfriend and it sent their shippers into meltdown. Summary here.I can't imagine wasting so much of my mental and emotional energy on people I don't know and will probably never meet. Maybe living in this fantasyland is easier than trying to make it in the real world? It seems horribly taxing. If you read through the piece, one of these crazies went to Cait's bf's bar to try and figure out if they were actually dating. I mean, WTF? What do any of them hope to gain from this? What a great read that was, ladybug. She and the other commenters keep bringing up comparisons to the "Robstein" drama. But crazy fans always remind me of the Russell Crowe fandom back in the late 1990s/early 2000s. There were a few message boards that collected people who loved him in LA Confidential and The Insider, and were watching the progress of the filming of Gladiator (there were tons of on-set reports, especially by battle recreators who were recruited by Ridley Scott for the battle scenes). People were OBSESSED with high-resolution photos of him, with finding out details of his private life, getting tickets to (usually sold out) concerts by his terrible, terrible band, going to rugby games when his team was playing. There was jealousy galore about the mystery women who managed to always score front row seats to the concerts, and about who saw him when and where, and who talked to him backstage and on set, and desperate attempts to have a "private audience". As you can imagine, the whole fandom blew up in an explosive fiasco when Meg Ryan entered the picture. Memories, LOL. How did I miss this?! LOL, I bet the meltdown was hilarious when the Meg Ryan thing happened. I was actually going to say I'm getting Benedict Cumberbatch fandom vibes from some of the Outlander drama -- that bizarre attitude of "as fans, we are owed the TRUTH". Like uh, no you're not. Am I the only one whose respect for actors goes up when they're able to keep personal stuff on lockdown?
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Post by BoroKat on May 5, 2017 12:42:19 GMT -4
I think it is lame when actors refuse to appear with their SO because it has the opposite effect to the one they are supposedly after, and people talk even more about them. Like Chris Martin and Gwyneth. I have the most respect for the actors who just act normally with their SO. They don't use their SO for publicity but they also don't hide him/her.
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