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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 11:39:23 GMT -4
I'm not crazy about the song, but like others have said, I think the video is ballsy. Good for her. On a less controversial note, Blue Ivy is cute as she can be.
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Post by discoprincess on Feb 9, 2016 11:49:39 GMT -4
I'm not crazy about the song, but like others have said, I think the video is ballsy. Good for her. On a less controversial note, Blue Ivy is cute as she can be. She looks just like her father. I guess I'm such a cynic that I just think this 'message' was actually marketing and not really Beyonce having a strong feeling about something. And my cynicism is not directed at Beyonce specifically, but I would probably feel like this about most entertainers, and their management. Something's trending in the media/culture? Better jump on it and appropriate it for our 'art'! Man, I hope not. It'd be a big letdown for the black community if that were the true motivation because we don't need that. It'd cheapen the message.
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Post by Matilda on Feb 9, 2016 12:02:26 GMT -4
Beyonce has a long history of being extremely vacant. It would be somewhat out of character if she had actually had any intellectual input into either this song or video.
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Post by petitesuite on Feb 9, 2016 12:12:06 GMT -4
Trust me, I dug her up from page 8(?) Saturday afternoon, after the video dropped and the controversy over her once again taking someone's work without proper crediting was brewing. It was quickly quashed, the right people fell on their swords, the director/photographer was harassed, threatened, and retracted their claims, and Beyonce naturally stayed silent. ... Yes, I am a hater, a bad feminist, judgmental, etc. Ooh...what's this about? Some of the footage in the Formation video is taken from a documentary. Beyoncé went to the director and asked to use the footage, he said no, so she went to the production company that actually owned the rights to the film and they said yes. After the video came out the director was (understandably, but without a legal leg to stand on) upset. The Beyhive came for him. The end, as I understand it.
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mementomori
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Post by mementomori on Feb 9, 2016 12:24:38 GMT -4
Beyonce has a long history of being extremely vacant. It would be somewhat out of character if she had actually had any intellectual input into either this song or video. She does have a long history of being vacant, but she also seems like a control freak where her image is concerned so I doubt politicizing her music is something her team can do without her ok. Some part of her must really want to embrace some of these movements. I also feel that some of the most non-confrontational people of color have been traumatized by the sheer volume of police brutality that has occurred over the last few years.
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Post by Hamatron on Feb 9, 2016 12:24:44 GMT -4
There's also the "homage" to Anne Teresa De Keersmaeker in Beyonce's "Countdown" video, which the artist was not cool with. Or the time she finagled writing credits on a "Dreamgirls" song, which when nominated for an Oscar the Academy deemed her contribution very minimal and removed her name. Her "Who Run the World (Girls)" MTV performance with the video stuff was a direct rip-off of another performer.
I will credit her with supporting the BLM movement since the beginning though. Apparently she and Jay-Z have been contributing and bailing our protesters since Ferguson, which is something.
Honestly, when people get to be as big as Beyonce, do they typically speak out politically? I don't recall Mariah Carey saying much about politics over the years, and Will Smith is getting shit for kinda sorta supporting statements now. Do people want her to be more outspoken? I'm asking this honestly, because celebs can play some PR games well, but few really handle political statements well.
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Post by Coffeecakes on Feb 9, 2016 12:45:52 GMT -4
I think she is speaking out now because she is established and really the Beyhive will not stop supporting her. I say go on and piss off all of the racists out there because their salty tears are delicious.
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Post by magazinewhore on Feb 9, 2016 14:05:22 GMT -4
I guess that's where she stops me cold. I like the video. I think it's great, but isn't it about Beyonce (and the cult of celebrity), rather than women of color, whose voices are still very, very marginalize in pop culture and the world in general? It's hard to see Bey as an underdog.
I did wonder about her bringing up NO this late. Has she ever used that imagery in her work before? I mean, it's been 10 years.
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Post by petitesuite on Feb 9, 2016 16:26:36 GMT -4
I did wonder about her bringing up NO this late. Has she ever used that imagery in her work before? I mean, it's been 10 years. Doesn't this if anything strengthen her point? I mean, as I understand it NO is in many ways still a shit show, especially for black people, but I can't remember the last time I heard anyone talking about it, never mind someone on Beyonce's exposure level. I don't disagree that she's had many opportunities to talk about it before now, but I don't think it's a stale cause either.
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Post by SApril on Feb 9, 2016 19:22:26 GMT -4
I guess that's where she stops me cold. I like the video. I think it's great, but isn't it about Beyonce (and the cult of celebrity), rather than women of color, whose voices are still very, very marginalize in pop culture and the world in general? It's hard to see Bey as an underdog. I did wonder about her bringing up NO this late. Has she ever used that imagery in her work before? I mean, it's been 10 years. She filmed the Deja Vu video and did promo photos for the Deja Vu album there. And it's not like she's completely ignored what happened:
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